A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd

I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion but there is just one problem. Floyd asked for testing from the start and Team Pacquiao agreed to do the testing with no problem. They later backed out of that agreement and started asking for cut offs. So how the hell could Floyd have used testing to get out of the fight when Team Pacquiao agreed to it from the start? Floyd even gave them a 2 week cut off period and that wasn't good enough. Remember Arum was the one who walked away from the mediator telling lies and had to come back and admit that Floyd offered them 14 days.

 

And when Pac said ok to 14 days, what happened next? Was vacation the other option?

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Dude do I have to break down the facts? Floyd wanted testing from the start with no cut offs. That is what his original demand was. Team Pacquiao accepted that demand. "I heard Floyd wanted OSDT, I said "sure give him whatever he wants. My fighter is clean" Freddie Roach. Floyd then offered them a 14 day cut off to make the damn fight and don't forget that Roach and Manny both said they didn't want to test the day of the fight. They don't want to test the day of the fight yet they turned down 14 days. Floyd said after that fight failed to happen that Manny will not get another cut off and that he was going back to his original demand. 14 days was off the table bc Manny turned it down. So don't act like 14 days was the original offer when in fact it was a counter offer to a 30 day cut off to try and save the fight.

 

I used to be nuetral too....but when the demands became ALL talk and NO contract, I began to see Floyd as strictly a talker.

If he EVER wanted the fight he could have had the contract drawn up, signed, sealed, and delivered.

But all he did was talk about this, or talk about that. Had he put it in writing I might have remained neutral on the fight.

As for Arum and the negotiators......that was strictly over the $$$$$, yeah the TALK was testing, but the writing was $$$$$$.

 

Floyd doesnt fight top rank fighters. End thread

 

But why oh please convince me 14 days was good enough before but not now? Saying because Floyd changed his mind is not a valid reason.

 

So you're saying asking for the tests is just a scam, drunkboat?

 

Jet no cut offs was the original offer and that is the offer that Team Pacquiao accepted but backed out of. They also backed away from the 14 day offer that Floyd made to make the fight happen. Hell I would go back to my original offer too if I was Floyd after all the games Team Pacquiao played. Why did team Pacquiao accept the offer but backed out later? Why did they walk away from 14 days when it was offered to them? Answer that for me.

 

he only fights in house

 

did not read lol.

 

I've had enough of these threads, and I wouldn't usually contribute in it...but I'm slightly hungover.

I still believe this bout has not happened because of ego's, mainly Arum and Mayweather.

When Mayweather took his first break away from the ring after Hatton (was meant to be after DLH)...I'd assume Mayweather was growing tired of the sport, his body needed a little recovery (hands, etc) or his motivation was waning. He took his time off, and Pacquiao replaced him as the sports #1 attraction. Mayweather wasn't really in the limelight anymore, and he was probably jealous of Pacquiao...which would explain his announcement of the Marquez bout on the eve of a Pacquiao fight. I genuinely believe it was his intention to fight Pacquiao after Marquez.

Many on this forum built their hopes up about the potential bout, and the negotiations started the first time around. In hindsight, I was naive to believe this bout could be made first time around...I still believe Arum and Roach didn't want that bout when Mayweather was looking like he very much did want it (I believe Pacquiao would have fought him whenever). Arum knew Mayweather had the tools to beat Pacquiao, and Roach needed more time to prepare for him. Going back two years, I can't remember the exact events and in what order...but a £10 million weight penalty was introduced by Team Pacquiao, and agreed by Mayweather. Mayweather's ego came in to play, "If they (including Arum) think they can add stipulations, I'll add my own". Extra drug testing was proposed from Mayweather, agreed and then disagreed by Team Pacquiao. At this point, I still believe Pacquiao wanted the fight, but his team handled the situation horribly wrong. It was clear there wasn't much communication, and Pacquiao was probably told to say the wrong thing, which made him look like he had something to hide. At the end of the negotiations, Mayweather proposed a 14 day cut off, Arum did not relay this information to Pacquiao...Pacquiao probably would have accepted it. Arum killed the fight the first time around, and Arum got his in-house bout vs Clottey.

Who knows why the bout hasn't happened since then. I'm not going to call Mayweather scared, or a coward...the guy is a professional boxer. But worried about Pacquiao? See's Pacquiao as a major threat, a guy who can beat him? Yes. Mayweather is probably more worried about the '0' to be honest. His whole career, character and selling point is based around it.

Do I think Mayweather was satisfied with his performance against Mosley? No. Even if it was dominant. He got caught and hurt in the second round. I don't think he envisioned it. Whereas Pacquiao continued to be as dominant as ever. Maybe it knocked his confidence, and motivation. Arum set up the bull**** deadline during negotiations knowing full well that the bout was not going to happen.

I think the bout is more likely to happen now than ever before. Am I getting my hopes up though? No. Pacquiao has a bout scheduled, and Mayweather has issues to settle outside of the ring. 2012 is the most likely time for this bout to happen IMO. It is the latest this bout should happen aswell. Both not at their peak, both at the edge, or even slightly past prime...but still very much an intriguing bout that still has appeal.

 

no neutral stance with *****s and *******.

 

they will be fighting cinco de mayo 2012 at the mgm grand.

 

bingo.....

the best part to me is...is how good arum is at knowing how to play to the public....he played more games the whole time they were supposed to be in negotiations.....he never wanted the fight in the first place...he had cowboy stadium and clottey in his pocket the whole time......this guy set up a ****in countdown on his website the supposed 2nd time.....the public tends to lean towards floyd being a chicken and scared....the bottom line is....he had dallas in his sites from the get go...and the 2nd time, when floyd was on vacation, he never made a serious attempt....only a public sideshow...with no concrete evidence of a contract or concessions made by pac on testing.....the public eats this stupid **** up......and then people wonder why floyd is on "vacation"...hes tired of being played by arum....arum had a chance to clear the air after his stupid little "countdown" on top rank website...he took a conference call and was asked "what concessions did pac make this time around in regards to testing"...he declined to comment.....he said "i cant comment on that"....so u cant tell us....he never said what kind of deal floyd turned down.....because there wasnt one.....but he tried hard to play it off like floyd walked away from him...its a joke....:happy