A new division for the over-35s?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jul 25, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

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    In tennis, when a player gets to 35, he has to join the Senior Tour. Its pretty lame, but I think one such division in boxing could still produce exciting, meaningful fights. I just think it would be a way to minimize the risk of older guys who are not what they were refusing to accept reality and putting themselves in danger by fighting younger guys who are happy to beat them up for the payday. Guys over 35 or over 40 nearing the end of long, hard careers, must surely be at a high risk of severe damage to their health. Should we be allowing this?

    Here's a top 10 p4p of over-35s just now:

    1.Joe Calzaghe, 36
    2.Bernard Hopkins, 43
    3.Joel Casamayor, 37
    4.Shane Mosley, 36
    5.Oscar De La Hoya, 35
    6.Winky Wright, 36
    7.Nate Campbell, 36
    8.Verno Phillips, 38
    9.Antonio Tarver, 39
    10.Glen Johnson, 39

    So it's clear there would be quality in the division. If you think the division should be over 40 instead or if you think it's just a bad idea, please feel free to comment. I'm thinking this division would only have the 8 traditional weight groups, and one title only at each weight. What do you think?
     
  2. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nearly everyone in that list (except Philips I would say) are in the top 20/30 P-4-P in the world right now. There's a couple in the top 10, and one of them is the world No.2 IMO (Joe C).

    It doesn't work the same way as tennis, because the guys mentioned would still give the majority of the young-guns in their respective divisions a severe kicking. Why give up the money and exposure to go fight on some seniors tour. One of the great spectacles of the boxing game is the young up-and-comer taking on the established star; its like a right of passage.

    If you're good enough you're young enough.

    Also fighters age in different ways, due to style etc; there is no way to set a reliable age mark for such a division. Some fighters are shot by the time they reach their late 20's, others mid 30's, and more still go beyond that. Even one bad fight can turn a fighter shot.

    Plus many fighters turn pro at a very young age and therefore pick up wear and tear at a younger age. Again, this makes it very hard to pinpoint a specific age range for seniors.

    Sorry, but I couldn't see this plan working.
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    If the decision was taken out of the hands of the fighters though, for safety reasons, they wouldn't have a choice. I thought the presence of quality guys in that top 10 would be a reason for the division, not against. Proves there would still be quality fights, just that we would hopefully end the sad sight of the Marciano v Louis, Holmes v Ali, Tyson v McBride, Trinidad v Whitaker, Chavez v Tszyu, Leonard v Camacho, etc etc etc.
     
  4. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no man, no more confusion for the casual fans.
     
  5. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh great. Take the 60 odd different belts, the multitude of lesser belts, the too many weight categories and double them all with another category based on age?

    No.

    All the fragmentation is hurting the sport as it is.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    Safety of veteran fighters should be more important than confusing the fans?
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    Safety of veteran fighters should be more important than confusing the fans?
     
  8. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Take their liscense if they can't protect themselves inside the ring, but let's not complicate this sport when it's not really necesarry, also, do you think they would like to be excluded and not be able to prove they are the absolute best in their division and instead just say they are the best seniors?? I think that if they are still fighting is because they can protect themselves well from the younger fighters and they want to prove they are better than the younger Champions.
     
  9. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    spot on
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Forget the tennis analogy, in tennis you don't risk brain damage when you lose.
     
  11. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then it is case of a "shot" tour rather than a "seniors" tour.

    Nothing to do with a fighters age, just the fact that he is past it. I edited my first post and went into this in more detail, in regards to the fact that fighters age in different ways depending on fighting style, number of fights, number of tough fights, career affecting (not ending) injuries, ability to take punches with less effect (long term) on one fighter than they might have on another, and years in the sport (ie: some boxers turn pro at a very early age, while others wait until later).

    There are some fighters in their late 30's who are more on-top of their original game than guys in their late 20's (some of whom could be termed "over-the-hill").

    If you based this league around fighters whose skills have eroded to a "certain" (I use the term loosely - who would dictate this) degree, then it becomes a dodgy pick-and-choose scenario that will end in failure.
     
  12. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Will make things more confusing, though you forgot to add Roy Jones to that list.
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    No I didn't, I just wouldn't have RJJ anywhere near that top 10 p4p. He hasn't beaten a legitimate quality world ranked lhw since 2004, and the two guys I have at 9 and 10 both KO'd him.
     
  14. DINAMITA

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    That's kind of the point. If tennis has an over-35s, surely boxing should precisely because those guys are at a greater risk of brain damage. But hey, the intention of the poll was to play devil's advocate and gauge opinion, I'm not saying I 100% think it should be introduced, just putting it out there as an idea.
     
  15. gottagivafight

    gottagivafight When you least expect it, expect it!!! banned Full Member

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    File 13 that ****. It simply isn't needed. I think it speaks volumes for someone like Big George who at what 43, can take a crazy-ass beating from someone like Holyfield and still go the distance with The Warrior. Remarkable n' laudable, dontcha say? I do. This makes guys that can do such an elite status in thier own right as far as I'm concerned.