A new Jack Johnson film. Your ideas.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This thread is inspired by my discussion with Mr Bill about the film "the great white hope" and the need for a new Jack Johnson movie.

    Lets say that such a film was going to be made and the director asked us all to submit ideas for what the film should be like.

    What would you suggest?

    How should the film portray Johnson, his era, and his career.

    What should the timeline and format be?

    How dark does the film get?

    Which other fighters should feature in it, why them, and how should they be portrayed?
     
  2. bodhi

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    It should be a trilogy!

    1. The first movie should end with him winning the title.
    2. The second should end with him losing the title.
    3. Should end with his death.

    It should be authentic and without any political correctness.


    I like the documentary based on "Unforgivable Blackness" very much - the book is even better imo. It was even shown in German TV even though nobody over here knows who Johnson is. I made all my friends watch it :lol:
     
  3. MRBILL

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    We need a fresh actor who can actually play the role.........

    Could Tony Tarver portray Jack Johnson on the silver screen???

    I liked Tarver as 'Mason Dixon' and Tarver is doing well with Showime boxing....

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  4. McGrain

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    You could say a million and one things.

    As a massive Langford fan I wonder how he would be portrayed. I think he'd only be in the film fleetingly, but I'd genuinely like to see Johnson duck him a little bit before making his break. I'd like one of those difficult introspective scenes where Johnson realises that Langford has almost become him, a new great black heavyweight, who is coming into his prime just as Johnson's fire start to go out. You'd need to be careful not to suggest that Johnson fled America just to avoid him, but I'd see Johnson depicted more as a dandy stalked by his demons in the second half of the film and I think that a scene with Sam should be the divider, though the trial could be the start of the dramatic "fall".

    I'd tend to go with a collage in keeping with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid for the good/suggested bad times in Europe and the story pick up again with Johnson trying to squeeze his way back into America and the build up to the Willard fight. I'd end the film with a scene depicting Jack's one-man show and his attention to detail and dedication to it. That would be the very last scene for me.

    So I guess my film would be dark. But it would be counter-balanced by Jack's preening, strutting perfectly confident presence in the run up and during his fight with Jeffries...who, for the purposes of the film, would probably have to be depicted as having ducked Johnson to a degree during his prime. I do think that's a defendable position, actually, even if it's not my own.
     
  5. janitor

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    I think that should be in it.

    You could throw in the event where Johnson pulled a gun on Langford.

    While making the audience identify with Johnson you could make an issue of the fact that he never gave Langford the opportunity that Burns gave him.
     
  6. McGrain

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    That would be good, but i'd like something gentler ealier - you could see Johnson's transition as a man in control to a man hunted in his pulling a gun on Langford.

    They met in a newspaper office before this, did they not? You could have that scene in it, and have Langford make a subtly cutting remark before departing and then focus a prolonged still shot on Johnson as the truth of the matter sinks into him. Next, Johnson pulls a gun on Langford whilst drinking. Why is he carrying a gun? Why won't he meet Langford? Because the demons that have been harrying him for much of his life have caught up to him.
     
  7. janitor

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    We are thinking allong the same lines here.

    How would you portray Jeffries?
     
  8. bodhi

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    The audience should identify with Johnson but it does not neet to like him. The film must be authentic. Johnson's dark side should be shown too, it's part of his personality. But one movie is not enough to capture his live. Either you just take a capitel out of it or you have to make 2-3 movies.
     
  9. McGrain

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    It would be impossible not to admire Johnson given what he did. I think you could show his darker side and expect the audience to like him. What he did was impossible. I think he's the baddest man in the history of boxing, just a bad mother****er. People love that, and that's how he should be depicted.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Dull. Of little interest, a fighting machine with little panache or vibrancy. An "ugly" fighter where Jack was a clever one, a coulourless man where Johnson was colourful. This is both close to the truth and in beautiful counter-point to the anti-hero that was Johnson.
     
  11. janitor

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    What about Johnson's intelect?

    He was probably the most inteligent heavyweight champion before the Klitschko's came allong. He was fluent in multiple languages, played several musical instruments, was a consumate reader and was granted two patents.
     
  12. bodhi

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    Different. In the first part as the shiny hero, the unbeatable champ with an aura of confidence. When it comes to reno he should be portrayed as a man teared between the expectations of the people and his own doubt after realizing he isn't the same after the lay-off.
     
  13. bodhi

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Johnson fan and totally fascinated by his personality and life but I don't think he was a very likable person and I think the audience should have a similar feeling.
     
  14. janitor

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    I think I would make a bit more of Jeffries as a character.

    Early in the film I would portray him a bit like Clubber Lang. Brooding, surly, not particularly fan friendly. Even Johnson knows better than to go into the cellar with him for a bare fist fight.

    As Reno aproaches I would make him more likeable and show the other sides of his personality. Ultimately I would show him being pressured into a fight he did not particularly want.

    I would of course maintain the illusion that Johnson was the underdog going into the fight. This is reasonable since it was the perception at the time.
     
  15. bodhi

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    Should be included but shown in small scenes and not be a main topic. You could include the surprise of people when they find out that he could play violine or something like this. and you could compare it to fellow fighters and show the difference between them and Johnson.