A new perspective Tunney vs Ali, who wins?

Corrected. :good

I do not agree with Tunney's words but it's interesting. Boxing has supposedly been dead for the past 100 years, going by the words of the old timers and the media.

Ali did rate Tunney:

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:goodta.johnny risko was about 5ft 9 or so.they were hardly giants were they ??

 

"And i can whip all of em! they fight like washer women!" hahaha

 

'He moving good,but he aint got no rythmn,coloured folks got more rythmn.'

 

I reckon Ali would stop him late on in the fight. I honestly do n't think Tunney would be too much of a problem for Ali. That's no disrespect to Tunney either. Gene was the best of his era.

 

imagine what smokin' joe would do to mr tunney.

 

That one would be similar to Frazier's first fight with Jimmy Ellis. Tunney would box well,and win the first three rounds or so. Joe would get warmed up start piling the pressure on and stop Tunney by around the sixth or seventh.

 

I too pick Ali but I think this might be a tougher fight than most people believe. Someone mentioned in an earlier post that Cooper was able to jab his way inside and land hooks on Ali in thier two fights. Another fight that was somewhat difficult for Ali that some might have forgotten was his fight with Doug Jones. Although quite a bit smaller, Jones was able to get inside Ali's height and reach advantages by utilizing good boxing technique and some shifty head movement and giving Ali trouble and a close fight as well. Ali looked his best against sluggers like Foreman and Frazier and other big heavies that were a perfect fit for his style ala Williams,Lyle et al. Tunney was smart, tough and an excellent boxer as well. He wouldn't blindly follow Ali around the ring thus falling right into Ali's hands. I think Gene could make this a difficult fight for awhile but I also feel that Ali's size and athleticism would prove to be the deciding factor. The more I see of many of the older era fighters the more respect I have for them and thier so called "primitive" skills.

 

Ali had trouble with the smaller quicker guys. Ali has the better Heavyweight resume and did well vs the Big Slow heavy's but the smaller quicker guys could get to him. A hard close win that Ali pulls out with pizazz

 

This is actually hard to imagine.

If we assume that Tunney hit roughly as hard as Ali, give or take a little bit, and then we assume that Frazier would hit roughly as hard as the old Dempsey, then this fight becomes much more interesting. If Dempsey could win just the one round out of 20 against Tunney, is it not reasonable that Frazier might have the same sort of difficulties?

If you consider the Frazier from Ali II and III fights, Tunney's chances probably become a whole lot better. In fact, given the way he handled past prime Dempsey, you would have to think that past prime Frazier is going to be in for an equally long night. I wonder whether Tunney might win 19 of 20 rounds against this Frazier.

This leaves FOTC Frazier. Tunney, being as smart as he was, you would presume wouldnt touch Frazier until he showed his signs of slowing, but if he did, There is nothing to be gained from the Dempsey fights which suggests that Joe would beat Tunney. And if you compare Dempsey to Ali, it is theoretically possible that while he may not have been as quick as Ali, he was still a fair bit quicker than Frazier. And the real key is how hard he hits. Most modern fans assume not in the same league as ali, but i dont know how realistic this is. Ali won his share of rounds, but often was drawn into a slugfest. Tunney would not be drawn in like this, and he has proved that against dangerous heavys (Tunney) he will keep to his game plan and not take risks. He would be right in such a fight.

Flowing from this, in an Ali sense, is that if Gene can perform so well and technically better than Ali himself did against Frazier (as proved by the dempsey fights) then why should he not be given a chance against Ali?

 

it must be remembered that Dempsey was way past his best when he fought Tunney. We're hypothesising about a prime,or near to his prime,Frazier here.

 

Don't know why there's so much debate here. It's like Mayweather/Marquez. It doesn't matter how smart a ring general you are; if your opponent has lopsided physical advantages (which Ali does: height, reach, speed, footwork etc.) you just have no say in the fight. It's ok against guys that fight into your hands (Dempsey) and allow you to use your tricks, but against somebody who can control all of the action on their terms it's a different story.

 

In other words you're saying Tunney cant win, and your reason is : he cant win.

 

Ali