A no hate thread: for those of you who think Crawford is P4P #1...

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  1. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. anthoto1

    anthoto1 Active Member Full Member

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    He might have the skills but he doesn't have the resume to be #1. He's top 5 for sure but he's having a disappointing career given his potential. He should fight Spence as fast as possible as time is running out and the rest of the adversity is historically weak at WW.
     
  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    On what basis can you rank any of them above Bud P4P with the possible exception of Usyk?
     
  4. egs63

    egs63 New Member Full Member

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    Sometimes when there’s a lack of top level competition, you have to view fighters based on the level of separation they achieved during common opponents. Taylor and others struggled with Postol, but Bud separated himself. Even though most of his opponents weren’t top tier, he showed clear separation. Shawn Porter is the best example of this and is his flagship win now. No others top fighter came close to that level of dominance vs Porter. Even without more signature wins, he’s clearly p4p top 3, arguably number 1. I’d argue that his single win over Porter is better than Canelo unifying 168 in 11 months.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Indongo is packing serious glass in his mandible and his CV is featherfist central (it really is comical when you take a gander at it). He's been stopped every single time he's fought anyone who can punch a bit and the only time he wasn't was because his opponent didn't land a punch

    All 4 of his losses via TKO/KO and all within 4 rounds

    Crawford
    Prograis
    Yelussinov
    Mwakinyo

    Gamboa, who has always been chinny even when facing opponents his own size has been dropped in like 10 or 11 separate fights and 20 times or so in total IIRC, was a grotesque size mismatch and it was only Gamboa's second fight at the weight. Crawford had 7lbs on him and a whopping 9'' reach advantage. Gamboa should be 7-5 at 135 and he's only stopped 2 of his 12 opponents at that weight.

    Benavidez's a peg-leg cripple whose leg is so messed up he shouldn't even be fighting and it clearly hinders him a great deal and causes him immense pain even during training.

    Horn's only claim to fame is receiving a hometown gift from the judges against Manny who the ref allowed to slice his face up with butts and elbows all night. He got stopped by a stripper and Tim Tszyu for goodness sake.

    Even The Ring Magazine had Horn ranked #98 in their annual end of year Ranking the World's 100 Best Fighters feature in 2017 after the Manny fight which says it all. They like the vast majority had him losing that one.

    As for Crawford being more dominant against Postol than Taylor was

    Lots of context there

    Taylor unified an entire division in just 18 fights, Crawford didn't even become a world champion until his 23 fight

    And when Taylor fought Postol he

    Had only fought one world class opponent before (a past prime Vazquez)

    Had taken part in zero world title fights

    Had never been past 9 rounds before

    Was giving away 4'' in reach


    Whereas, conversely, when Crawford fought Postol he was 28-0

    Had fought 6 or 7 world class opponents

    It was his 7th world title fight

    Had been into the 10th or further 5 times including the full 12 twice

    Had a slight reach advantage over the Ukrainian (Crawford has never once been at a reach disadvantage in any of his fights against world class competition)

    And on top of that he spent the entire fight on his bicycle stinking out the joint like he was in against a murderous puncher


    Crawford unified against the light hitting Postol and Indongo, both of which in his home country with 7 of the 8 officials coming from his country too. Taylor won his world title at home, unified 2 belts at home but all the judges came from neutral countries albeit he had home refs, but he unified all four away and the ref and all three judges were from the US. So he didn't have a single home judge in any of those fights whereas Crawford only had one single foreign one for his and he had home refs for all his fights.

    Taylor didn't even take up boxing until he was 15 y/0

    Whereas, Crawford was 7 y/o when he took up the sport
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    take taylor, and put crawfor a step or two over taylor. Then have a conversation with yourself.
     
  7. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Usyk yes. Maybe Inoue. The rest, no. Beterbiev? LOL. Dude fights once ever year and a half. Been a pro for almost 10 years and has 16 fights. Mayweather had 17 fights on 2 years. Stop with the dumb ****.
     
  8. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Taylors resume is better, with less fights. Davies, postol, ryan martin, prograis, jose ramirez. Its not A LOT better than crawfords, but its better. Usyk's resume is waaaaay better though.
     
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