A P4P Record

Take out Haney for Junto Nakatani and it’s basically perfect imo

 

bivol at 5 coming off a loss, lol. and if you feel he got robbed, wtf is biev doing at 4?

 

How can Devin Haney be p4p when he only had 1 fight in 2024 where he got completely battered around the ring by Ryan Garcia?

 

In no reality are Tank, Loma (I'm fans of both), or Haney near the top 10 P4P. Bivol and Beterbiev are both far too high, if they are there, they're at the bottom

 

Was hoping you'd ask about my P4P

1 Inoue
2 Crawford
3 Usyk
4 Canelo
5 Lopez
6 Rodriguez
7 Navarette
8 Beterbiev
9 Bivol
10 Stevenson

 

How can LWs & WWs who walk around over 180lbs be on any serious p4p lists? Crawford & Haney are not p4p fighters they are weight grifters who get found out the minute they start fighting individuals closer to their own size.. & in Haneys case well before that LOL.. what Loma, Usyk & Canelo do is my definition of p4p...

 

I don't really get why you have such grievances over Beterbiev and Bivol being high on another list when you've got Teo, Bam, and Vaquero all above them despite none of them having resumes as accomplished as Beterbiev and Bivol imo.

 

First, what's funny about having 7 of the same fighters? That means we agree on the majority........I specifically only mentioned 3 that my position is don't belong there at this time.....

2nd: Inoue and Crawford both did what Usyk did.............................before him. And Inoue did it in only 13 months. Crawford did it against a P4P peer that was ranked as highly as him. Both also have 4 divisions under their belts. Yeah I did give it a good try, succeeded too.

Usyk should be applauded for what he's done, he's literally the apex predator of all of boxing (as in there is no boxer on Earth that beats him over 12 rounds). Inoue and Crawford both outdid him though and are both higher IMO.

 

Teo as bad as he is (and I personally dislike him) beat who I had for years had as p4p # 1. He really beat 2 undisputed guys in 2 different weight classes (because I don't care what anyone says Loma was undisputed at LW). No one has done that. His peaks are way higher than Bivol or Beterbiev even if his valleys are lower.

Bam didn't gain "every" belt but is there any dispute he knocked off the top guy in those 2 respective divisions? He beat the top.

Navarette was on his 4th division. He slipped up chasing greatness (same reason I still have Canelo so high). His chase epitomizes p4p

And I'm not being hard on Beterbiev or Bivol (like em both), but at the end of the day, they're dueling over 1 division, if either went up to CW and collected everything, I'd have them higher. If Bivol (I know it wouldn't be possible for Beterbiev) moved down and did this, I'd have him higher. This is no different than why I couldn't place Spence any higher than I used to.

 

Mostly agree with your perspective, but come on, we’re talking P4P, and somehow, you don’t give Usyk credit for beating the #2 guy at HW who outweighed him significantly and had 6 inches of height and more armreach than him? You have to take that into consideration when comparing these guys. Inoue and Crawford have done incredible things, but they haven’t had to overcome what Usyk did with Fury…twice.

 

I'll never get why Crawford is so high on people's lists right now.. he's had 5 fights in as many years.. & against who? 11 fight Madrimov who'd fought NO ONE.. Spence who since 2020 has had just TWO fights.. & a bad accident.. who else? Avanesyan? The guy lost to Kavaliasukas years ago.. what was the point of that? & to top it off Crawfords probably weighing close to 190lbs between camps .. this is not p4p Territory. Lopez is a no for me too.. he got pieced up by Kambosos & barely beat Ortiz & Martin... i can't even really give him Taylor, Taylors clearly a spent force now.