A Pacquiao style might find holes in Floyd's shoulder roll

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  1. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd's shoulder roll is near enough perfected by him, he is a master at the shoulder roll, but the problem is with Floyd's shoulder roll is that it's good at catching hooks. Floyd catches the hooks to either the body and head and then comes back with his hooks and uppercuts, it's a great way of counter punching. The problem with this fight with Pacquiao is Pacquiao throws a lot of straight punches. It's a very unusual style of fighting because you shouldn't be able to get power nor balance with the way Pacquiao throws punches, but it works for him. The problem for Floyd is this causes a problem with his shoulder roll defense because when he leans back from a Pacquiao punch he might find another straight Pacquiao punch coming his way. Basically Pacquiao throws a lot of punches down the pipe, this is where there could be gaps in Floyd's defense because as he leans with the shoulder away from Pacquiao's right hand, Floyd now miight be leaving himself open for the second left straight punch. There not hooks, so they're quicker off the mark.Like I said it's unusual for a boxer to throw so many straight punches as a combination because of the leverage and also you leave yourself open, but it's harder to counter Pacquiao because of the amount of punches he throws, and every single punch he throws has power.

    Floyd I feel is going to have to move and use his feet more as his shoulder roll might be leaving gaps in this kind of fight.


    What do you guys think?
     
  2. boxingscience

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    http://www.sportofboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mayweather-gets-hit-in-the-mouth.jpg

    Now it's like this picture with Cotto. Floyd's shoulder roll position is to block a hook, when it comes to a straight punch, theres a gap down the middle. Now Cotto's main punch is the hook, so Floyd was able to block most of his shots, but the jab for instance gets through and the same with Oscar, why? Because it's a straight punch, it's down the middle. Floyd has to lean back to counter a straight punch as the shoulder roll is to block hooks. Lean back from one punch is ok, but what happens when it's two, three, four straight punches in a row, it's very hard to lean to counter when theres that many.
     
  3. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I think it's a tough night for Pacquiao unless he really finds a home for his left hand whether it be to the body or the head.

    He is going to have trouble landing his jab and right hook...

    Meanwhile Floyd will have his entire @rsenal to work with. The jab to the body working really well for Floyd methinks. Floyd will be looking to use his height and range on the outside.

    Pacquiao needs to equalize with footwork and high workrate but that's going to be hard...Will get to the point where Pacquiao is going to need to hurt or drop him & he can do that without a doubt.
     
  4. Anima

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    Floyd's shoulder roll isn't effective against a southpaw because it'll leave him open with a left, Pac doesn't need to find holes in it because it will always be open.

    Floyd will just use the high guard. Now if Floyd instinctively shoulder rolls just like against Corley, Pac can take advantage.

    I don't think we would see shoulder rolls in May 2 or at least not that much...

    The fight would be a battle of faints and straights.
     
  5. JV28

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    Like I've been saying, Floyd barely uses the shoulder roll against southpaws, he uses the high guard more often. From a high guard stance, he tends to be a bit more aggressive. If Freddie and/or Manny fails to recognize this then they'll be in shock when Mayweather gives them a look they weren't expecting.
     
  6. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    You can see in Pacquiao training footage

    They are practising countering with a right hook over Mayweathers jab but I don't see how Pacquiao can make that work...Floyd really is a master with his jab. The best way to counter Floyds jab or any jab is typically with a better jab - Maidana & cotto had some success however smaller Pacquiao is going to have big big problems. Honestly Khan would do a better job in that department against Floyd.
     
  7. MVC!

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    The only thing he's finding is the canvas once he crashes there after a barrage of Mayweather rights.

    :nod:nod
     
  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Floyd will find them rights but Pacquiao will just smile and knock his gloves together... Floyd will do best landing them at range rather than as hard counters with Pac moving in.

    Sorry to burst the bubble. Pac has more chance stopping Floyd with the left than Floyd has of stopping Pac with his right. So don't be so confident with your outcome.
     
  9. Staminakills

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    when was the last time, or when has Floyd ever used the shoulder roll as his primary defense against south paws ? that is not a defense when you're fighing southies.

    Floyd will fight pac like he fights every single south paw, behind the high guard while coming forward pressing the attack. its like some of you have never seen Floyd fight south paws or aren't capable of seeing the subtle differences in floyds defensive gameplans.

    against south paws the only time Floyd ever uses the shoulder roll is once he has the opponent completely figured out and the opponent is no threat to him what so ever. I see him using the shoulder roll for parts of rounds from the fifth round onwards.

    he will use it to gain the position he is looking for then go on the attack. Floyd gives south paws hell, he beats the ever living sh!t out of them
     
  10. MVC!

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    Just like how he smiled and knocked his gloves together after Marquez delivered the right hand on justice right on Manny's fragile mandible. :think

    I see May knocking his ass out in 9 good rounds, after a dominating performance by Mr.Mayweather. :nod:deal
     
  11. JV28

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    Manny's right hook counter over Mayweather's jab would have be timed perfectly and delivered with considerable speed. The younger Manny would've been able to pull it off, but at this stage of his career I don't really know if he can. What Manny has to worry the most about though isn't Mayweather's jab, it's his right hand. Manny has been hit with a lot of right hands in his career, it's no secret that that punch is his achilles heel. And Mayweather has the best right hand in the world. Manny has to find a way to neutralize Floyd's right which is pretty much a near impossible thing to do.

    Oh and I'd ignore MVC, he doesn't contribute any kind of tactical input whatsoever. :deal
     
  12. Windigo

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    Shows how much you know about boxing. If floyd wants to go with his jab to the body he will be countered with the right hook.
     
  13. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    LOL

    shows how little you know about Floyd Mayweather

    You think Pac can counter Floyds jab to the body with a right hook?

    holy moly you ever seen Floyds jab to the body? It's one of the best in the sport.

    you watch on May 2nd as Floyd lands that thing at free will.

    It's the right hand to the body Pac should be looking to counter as Judah did.
     
  14. Anima

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    Pacquiao can counter the jab to the body with a hook :patsch

    What punch do you think Knocked Floyd down against Judah?
     
  15. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Right hook counter of the right hand to the body

    not jab to the body.