A peak 73-74 norton beats prime larry holmes

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  1. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Foreman lost in zayre against Ali because Ali was better.. Where is the excuse?
    Tell me... Was norton better in 1974 and 1973. Than he was in 1978 or not?.
    Norton maybe was not a shot type 80 Ali but still was well past his prime. Some people here are acting like if norton was in the best shape of his life in 1978 lmao
     
  2. Eddie Ezzard

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    When did he fight better than in 1978 other than against Ali?

    I'd say he was better in 78 than he was in 74 when he fell apart against Foreman. You might say that the 78 version of Ken would have fared exactly the same in Caracas, Fact is, we don't know. All we can base our judgements on is what actually happened and, for my money, the Ken Norton who performed so well against Larry Holmes in 78 is better than any version I saw of him in 74.
     
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    Again, you base this on what performance ?
     
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    I'll answer you since you clearly don't know the fighter or the period .. in 78 Norton has the confidence of beating Ali over a fifteen round route and then beating Jimmy Young over 15 rounds. He had never gone 15 before. IN 78 he went 15 twice against the best of the world and excelled. He had the victory over Quarry under his belt, another major scalp .. Quarry was on the downside but Ken destroyed him .. You are simply wrong.
     
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  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Rolf good night
     
  6. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Lol. So you are saying that he was better in 1978 than he was in 1974 right?
    (The Víctory over quarry or the Víctory over a shot fighter? Rolf)
     
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    Rolf? Don't you mean LAMO?
     
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    I thought he presented a very sound argument for Ken being better in 78 than 74. I am open to being persuaded otherwise though, that Ken was better in 74 when he soiled his trunks and fell at the feet of Foreman.

    But you'll need to do more than just aggressively deride fellow posters and misspell four letter acronyms to convince me.
     
  9. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    To Convince you? Are you serious? Lol if you think that i need to convince anybody of a obvious thing..
     
  10. Eddie Ezzard

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    Yep. A well-articulated, reasoned riposte backed up with solid evidence and thoughtful analysis. You've won me round to your way of thinking. Well done on that.

    PSML.
     
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    He simply has no answer .. I"ve asked him flat out to make his point based on a performance but he can't because there is none .. my guess is that he knows nothing about those fighters or that time was making his point based on age alone .. a point that does not always hold up ..
     
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    Cheers mate it looked like you missed the brief.
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Lol.. You right i don't know anything about ken norton and his carrer...
    Your point is so so stupid , you are saying that he was better in 1978 when he was older and weaker just because at that time he had longer fights than he had previously. It is like saying thay 70s Ali was better than a peak Ali 67 because he had better rivals in the 70s.it does not change the fact that he was younger and better physically in his younger days. Also in 1973 he did beat and broke the jaw to a very good version of ali. 73 -74 Ali was better than larry Holmes and Norton did beat him. You are talking about his fights with Ali in 1976 and quarry it happened 2 and 3 ****ing years before his fight with Holmes in 1978 ,he was not the same fighter so stop with your crap like if he was the same in 1975,76 and78. Plus quarry was a finished guy when Norton did beat him,Ali was not the guy of 1974 neither. keep debating like a boring stubborn
     
  14. jowcol

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    Just my observation but I thought Holmes had it comfortably in the bag going into the 15th. Rather than box Norton he came out toe to toe with him. I remember my friend and I at the time screaming: "He knows Kenny can't hurt him anymore!! Go get 'em Larry!!! Whoooooo!!!" :)
     
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    Again, just another troll like nasty dude with no knowledge .. he has no answer for the following:

    NAME THE FIGHT THAT SHOWED NORTON WAS A SHELL PRIOR TO THE HOLMES FIGHT ..

    what a clown.
     
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