A peak joe louis vs a peak lennox lewis

You been watching The World Series of Boxing? I'm not sure if it's airing in Germany but some of the fights are really entertaining and they've got the right idea

 

Gorner and Anderson may have been stronger, or at least in the same ballpark. Even weightlifting hasn't advanced as much as we think when you hold technique and equipment constant.

 

It´s not getting aired. Look it up on its website though. I very much think this maybe the future of amateur boxing. :good

 

It would be very nice, it actually took me a while to realize that it was amateur bouts I was watching initially. The bouts aren't halfhearted or anything either, these guys are fighting their asses off. My only regret for the series is that it's on Versus(a nothing network) and we can't see the European or Asian matches... Me and my gramps(who listened to AtG fights via radio in the 30's, 40's and 50's), were watching them together, had a blast :good

 

I work in the "diet tailoring" business myself, for fitness enthusiasts, athletes and ordinary Joes who want to lose (or gain) weight, so I won't say much against it.

But believe me, the old-timers were not ignorant, and many of today's top nutritionists and conditioning coaches are savvy self-publicists. They get the job done very well, but the methods they use aren't the "rocket science" people sometimes seem to assume. I don't want to rag on my own profession, but I do urge people to be a little sceptical of some of the claims of coaches and nutritionists. And that applies to old-timers as well. There's always a lot of bluff involved.
And from all accounts, the best conditioning trainers in days of yore were tyrants when it came to diets. Knowing whether there's 50 or 60 grams of protein in a piece of steak is immaterial unless you're going by some theoretical formula that hasn't been tested yet on the subject, and if it's already been tested it doesn't matter if you're on the same diet every bloody day, like old-timers used to be. Anyone who tells a SLIGHT adjustment to a good clean diet will make a BIG improvement in performance is probably talking crap, in my opinion (based on experience).

Also, there are just as many fighters nowadays who don't follow the rules and advice as there were in the old days. The increase in nutrition information and knowledge has almost certainly been offset by an increase in temptation of a plethora of 'bad food', and the less-tyrannical nature of modern trainers/managers.

Ironically, the "modern" era of sports science and nutrition is actually an era when anyone (me, you, anyone literate) has the knowledge at our disposal, yet is also the era where more people can be employed as "experts" by others, with a select few almost taking on guru status.

Getting a boxer in tip-top shape for a championship has always been an art and a science. And it's a big responsibility.

On balance, obviously it's better to be in the current time of increased knowledge. I just think people believe too much hype about the current times, and disregard how much was known through practical experience in the old days.

 

The old timers knew how to get in shape just as well if not better than todays trainers. In boxing it doesn't really matter how much you can bench press or how fast you can run or what supplements you're taking if you can't take a punch or discourage easily when hurt etc..Many of the old timers grew up in much tougher times and many worked in tough manual labor jobs while learning thier trade. This gave them a certain rugged strength and mental toughness that can't be forged in shiny mirror covered gyms. Plus championship fights were longer and endurance and conditioning were paramount, not speed and explosiveness though they were inportant as well. Let's go back to 15 round championship fights and we'll see leaner fighters. Those last 3 rounds seperate the men from the boys. Prime Ali, Holmes, Louis, Frazier, Dempsey and Tyson would have todays hw's running for cover despite thier "Old Fashioned" training methods and primitive diets. What...No creatine and protien shakes? How can any fighter hope to succeed withhout them? No nautilis machines or squat racks? My God!! This is boxing not bodybuilding. For sports like football and basketball these modern methods of training and supplementation are probably more applicable but boxing is a different sport. I'm not saying they're useless but they're not the be all as far as boxing is concerned. Unforgiven hit it right in his entry and I agree 100 percent.

 

Joe Louis! The best there ever was!!

 

Your entire post is out of whack ,you have Louis who was nearly k.od by a 190 pounder and dropped by a fat bum twice beating a 6'5 250 giant with a longer reach than billy conn "who almost beat him" who hit 3 times as hard as anyone he ever faced is what Lennix lewis would be and then some? :-(

 

Joe better Lennox out of there early. The longer this fight goes the weight difference (Lennox leaning clinching on Joe) and Lennox's booming right hands become more telling.

Despite Louis's history of flash knockdowns he took so many rights from Schemling before going down in their first fight. You can't do that vs a prime Lewis.

I favour Joe but its a tough fight for Joe. Lennox loved that measured straight right bearing over an opponents jab and shoulder. Its a perfect foil for Joe's low hanging left. Joe has to pressure him early, a battle of jabs would not be in Joe's interest, get to the big man, be first and try not to get busted up to much in the process and hurt him early, Lennox enjoyed getting comfortable, shooting off heavy jabs then finding a home for his right. In this fight Lennox has 8 inch reach advantage, that's bad news in the mid-late rounds for Louis.

But as always there is a question mark about Lennox's chin. A prime Louis, the seek and destroy machine we saw vs Schmeling II wasn't going to be denied.

 

How can you prove that Lewis hit 3 times as hard as, say, Max Baer? Where is the scientific basis for this claim?

 

You have to compare Lewis's power, skills, and ability with the big guys Louis did beat. I don't see any of them being able to handle Lennox, tbh.

It isn't simply a case of being big.

 

If you cannot see that on film /vid,I don't know what to tell you.Max Baer put Louis thru the ropes and actually was winning the first fight when he was using the jab,what do you think Lewis's jab would do to him add in actual boxing skills not brawling ones,did you not see the Conn fight? Mismatch in the highest regard.

 

This thread is a golden oldie.

 

Max fought Louis once. Buddy fought him twice, knocking him through the ropes in the first fight. Louis caned both of them.

 

That's fair enough, Foxy. Lewis was big AND very good.