A Petition to End Boxing Robberies! Finally.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mega Lamps, Mar 28, 2012.


  1. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This was posted on multiple boxing forums (I also posted it in the General Boxing section earlier) and the website the Boxing Tribune has shared it on their Facebook as well. I thought I should post it here also for those that visit the Classic section.
    The petition will be sent to the Texas Commission once it has enough signatures and then certain groups will be constantly bothering the commissions with phone calls and emails until they take steps to stop robberies and punish judges. This has not been done before to this extent but thanks to forums and Facebook, people can connect and finally fight back. It will start with Texas apparently and then go to other states/countries. It does not hurt to sign it and only takes a moment and has a chance to really make a difference.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/tex...orecards-that-are-poorly-scored-or-inaccurate

    Sign it and spread the word! Clean up the sport. :bbb

    The petition is now being supported by Yahoo as well: http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Ajd2KLzj2dOAl5PTZ5Aubt6UxLYF?slug=ycn-11170398
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sorry, it won't work. This is do-gooder/feel-good type of pie in the sky type of thing. As long as humans, corrupt or otherwise, judge fights, then boxing will be subject to bad decisions. They're as inherent to the sport of boxing, as in it's DNA as anything else, unfortunately.
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL, why does the sport think there is a simple answer to this alleged problem?

    Do you not think if there was a simple answer, the problem would of been solved years ago?

    And as I mentioned, this is an alleged problem. Controversial decisions are as much part of our glorious sport's history as the great fights with clear winners, and the great champs. Something would be lost if everyone agreed over every fight, for starters why bother with boxing forums?

    Controversy is very, very important to the sport, it gives the oxygen of publicity and helps make everyone involved money.
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing has been corrupt long before the guy that wrote this was a zygote.

    Love him for trying, but he's in over his head.
     
  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I suppose in Lewis Holyfiled I every one thought Lewis won outside of the 3 judges lol.


    Nothing is going to happen over this. Boxing has had bad judgeing for over 100 years. As long as some promoter like Don King wants/needs a fighter to win, it will always happen.
     
  6. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I understand the negativity towards this but as a true fan it doesnt hurt to try. It makes us look bad to say we wont even sign.
    Something like this has never happened before. Fans are actually able to come together do to networking and some of the media is helping to support it and now people are saying no because it wont help? Quite a shame. I will back the cause, sitting around is certainly worse.
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    It's like getting a petition signed to stop a dictator. You think they care? The promoters put the money on the table, and buy the judges.
     
  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What is the problem? Boxing has always been like this, and it probably always will be. Petitions have been signed before. I am not being funny, but if the glare from superfights like Holyfield/LewisI (which I never really had a problem with, as I had Lewis edging it, thus a draw seems fair) or Chavez/Whitaker, which was worldwide did nothing to change the sport, do you really think this will do anything?

    Sit back, enjoy the ride and accept the sport for what is, rather than what you want it to be, it is ultimately far more fun that way. And when something good happens, you can be pleasantly surprised rather than protesting that, that should be the norm.

    To misquote DK: Only in boxing...
     
  9. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats what the problem is, that boxing has been like this and its being accepted. It doesnt have to be.
    I dont believe it is in their best interest in the long run to continue fixing fights. Promoters will stop taking fights there and people will lose interest. The petition is creating more awareness. Yes, Arum brought Pac over there a couple of times which gained huge revenue; however, for every big fight in Texas, they are losing a ton of fights that could also be there. People are getting really fed up with them. What I propose is for the judges with terrible scorecards (Gale Van Hoy 118-110, Diaz over Malignaggi) to be reviewed and suspended for the minimum punishment.
    The petition will make noise and will at the very least create even more awareness about Texas and is embarassing to the commission, the the sport, and the state. People will start ignoring boxing there, at least more than they do now, and that will hurt them more than paying off judges. It wont be worth it. And hopefully, people will start investigating the matter as well. The petition wont hurt.
     
  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It won't hurt, but it won't help.

    Controversy is endemic to boxing, because a small group of people have the money to make the sport turn round.

    Boxing is an EXPENSIVE sport, and the promoters who put it on aren't poor. They buy and pay for just about everything, including the occassional judge or referee. Does it suck sometimes? Yes. Will it ever change? No.

    The world of MMA is a BIT better(Not quite as many bad decisions and bad ref calls per fight, it would appear to me), but even they have problems. Why? Because in the end, its subjective. A judge will see what he sees, and more often then not, mark it down. Why should he be subject to discipline just because fans watching from TV(Not live, looks entirely different ringside) disagree with him? He's corrupt, he's bought, he's paid for, you will scream, clearly he was influenced. Prove it. Innocent until proven guilty.

    At some point, a boxing fan needs to own up to the fact that he, actually, doesn't know boxing better than the people who devote their lives to the business. Corruption will never go away because the sport will never be financed corporately, and bad decisions and calls will never go away because humans aren't robots, they make errors, and have perspective.

    Its a fools errand.
     
  11. jdempsey85

    jdempsey85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    goldenboy promotions just announced they want to make floyd v khan mega fight in 2013

    your next fix will be khan v peterson
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ironically the sport arguably was at its most popular when it was most corrupt.

    The sport is probably as clean as it has ever been, but is as unpopular as it has been in a century.

    So you are right, there is a correlation between popularity and corruption, in a perverse way the more corrupt the sport is, the more popular it is.

    This maybe because when the right fighter wins a promoter can create the matches that make them money, and generally us the fancy, happy.

    There is little evidence to suggest a totally clean sport would be for the greater good, indeed the opposite is suggested.

    Which is what already happens!

    As great a tool as the Internet could be, the problem is when everyone shouts, no one can here anything.

    Anyway this might be of interest to you (KO March 1995) Bernard Fernandez insight into the workings of being a judge:


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  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For the cathartic value alone, I understand and applaud how signing this petition must feel like you've done a good deed, at least.
     
  14. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It all starts by banning bowties on referees.