A point about Deontay Wilder and the ongoing nonsense regarding how many contenders he's faced

Dubs, you're tilting at windmills here. Putting up a valiant fight, but - quite delusional nonetheless. You realize the WBC and every other alphabet org can and does (and has probably always done) arbitrarily shuffle their rankings around to suit the climate of boxing politics and backroom deals as needed? The rankings of any single org are to be taken with more than a grain of salt, more like a giant salt lick. You determine the best in a division by gleaning from the amalgamation of all the major org bodies' rankings, seeing which names appear the most frequently and in the highest spaces. Anyone that is, say, #8 in just one list, but absent from the other three? Yeah, he's no legitimate contender, sorry. In the context of that org, sure, he technically he is... but really, he ain't. This is boxing 101, stuff we all just sort of implicitly understand. Are you really not clued into that as well, or are you just logic-bending to go to bat for your boy here?

 

So you figured out your mistake. He’s beaten just one man in currently ranked in the WBC top 15 rankings and that guy is 40!

The other no names who were once ranked aren’t even good enough to stay there. They are stepping stones for other fighters, proving his competition is poor.

 

I think his judgement is severely impaired by his love for Wilder so unfortunately this quite sensible post will fall on deaf ears

 

It seems impressive until you look at it more closely.

It's mainly due to circumstances.

I'm sure there's dozens of HW's past and present who could have matched Wilder's timeline and replicated those same results had they have had the opportunity.

He's done nothing special.

I would honestly take a guy like Dillian Whtye to have beaten every guy who Wilder fought apart from Tyson.

 

He has done nothing thatvmany other fighters couldn't have done had they have been given the same opportunity.

 

Who are these posters who you're referring to?

Most people are saying that he's only fought a handful of good fighters, despite who they're ranked by.

 

The 80's HW's were all pretty much evenly matched, apart from a guy like Tyson.

Wilder has done nothing special.

Stats are no good without context.

How many HW's could you name that would have a realistic chance of replicating Wilder's number of defences had they have had the same opportunity?

There'd be a huge list.

Dillian Whyte could literally have replicated those defences had he have beaten Stiverne and then fought Moilna and Duhaupas etc.

 

Hunter declined Hrgovic to fight on tomorrow’s card. Hunter would get schooled by Hrgovic he knows it to. It actually makes me think he has a better shot at Povetkin bc he sees it as a far easier fight but I’m still going with Povetkin in a hard fight.


On this thread , Wilder hasn’t fought one guy ranked in the top 10 as champion on only the one unbiased ranking system which is the transnational rankings at the time he fought them .

The clown OP is good for a laugh trying to fabricate one of the worst HW resumes in recent memory by claiming this character fought top guys just bc WBC could put them at the top and Wilder hasn’t even fought a ranked one guy when he was fighting them.....lmao

And the fact he lost his 8th title defense against someone the WBCs panel of a dozen EXPERTS deemed had no chance pre fight bc they knew it was a cherry pick instead of facing another champion for undisputed makes it that more comical.

 

You seem to keep assuming that I consider the Ring to be gospel or something. Not once have I mentioned the Ring.

 

I disagree that HW's in the 80s couldn't have a successful run because they were all evenly matched. None could rise above the other because there wasn't a great among them...we know this to be fact. Fact=Mike Tyson.

He beat who of note to get a shot a title? Gained what skills fighting 20plus club fighters? None,. he just went in and whooped everybody's ass. Not because they weren't Tyson, but because the 80's had good HWs. Not great ones.

I can't say for sure that any of those 80's HW's would have won against all 10 of Wilder's foes, because history proved them to be up & down fighters like in most decades. SO I would flip the script and ask who came in prepared, didnt resort to drugs (Cooper) didnt resort to alchohol (Mercer) didn't train diligently (Douglas, Tubbs) didn't resort to food binge ( Bowe, Douglass, Toney) Wilder has maintained great health, very disciplined to where he doesn't have to get (back in shape(. And I am supposed to knock that and call him skinny like some of his haters do? Naw playa! He got my props for staying in gr8 shape-- at least fighting 2x a year which is the new norm.

IS it not possible to do the same with Joe Louis and believe that Wilder could not have beaten 10 out of his HW streak? I have no reason to suggest a 5'9 2Ton 72 inch reach could reach up to Wilder's chin without having to lunge. Can't suggest Gus Dorazio, Al McCoy, Red Burman, a 5'7 Tony Musto who was 2-4 that got him a fight with Joe Louis. Buddy Bear had the height, but I can't fathom the thought that Joe hits harder than Wilder. Wilder has the puncher's chance in any era.
At 53-1 Louis took on a 3-3 Johnny Davis? Who was he?

Put that fight in today's era. How could U come to this forum and defend Louis for taking on a dude whose last 3 fights was vs the same person. Roosevelt Thomas? Whoever this J Davis was, he finished with 5 wins 20 losses & 19 by KO. That's who got a fight with the Brown Bomber? How is that on par with a Luis Ortiz, or Breazale or Fury?
And how can I say...or sure Johnny would've beaten Wilder. How?
Yes there are at least 10 fighters on Joe's resume that Wilder could have beaten.
And yes there are fighters who could have beaten the 10 that Wilder fought.

Unfortunately as bad as many of those Dempesy fought, not to mention how he hijacked the title by not fighting for years. Unfortunately throughout the 1950s, there are at least a dozen on Marciano's resume Wilder could beat.
But I wouldn't be shocked if Rocky had the 10 Wilder faced...and beat them.

Point is, whoever thinks WIlder hasn't fought good comp, have difficulty in defending the other HW champs who defended their titles against no less than 5-20 club fighters.
If Wilder has done nothing special, then how do I look at 80s HWs and excuse them and say, well thats different they couldnt defend 10 titles cause they were all evenly matched.
How?
As sub par fighters LOL!