A prime Joe Frazier would have a real shot against Vitali Klitschko

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  1. wolfish

    wolfish New Member Full Member

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    Foreman had huge power...Mathis did not have power.
     
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  2. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    No way Fraizer could ever beat Tyson Fury or a Klitschko either to be honest
     
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  3. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. BCS8

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    I don't rate Vitali as hard a puncher as 'prime' Foreman, but he is definitely much more accurate. Which would be worse for Frazier tbh.
     
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  5. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Vitali is one of the most overrated fighters in history. His career defining performance was a loss to an aging, out of shape, semi-retired Lennox Lewis.
     
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  6. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    He is incredibly overrated, but that doesn't mean he loses to Frazier. There's just too many things working against Frazier's favour here.
     
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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Foreman had the antidote to Frazier's style. The bolo , uppercut. Vitali has no such punch.

    Frazier's style was all wrong for a straight 1-2 hitter like vitali.
     
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  8. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Maybe if you had actual knowledge on history instead of skimming through boxrec to form your opinions, you'd have an idea of what you're talking about.

    Ellis had a rocky start but teamed up with Dundee in the mid 60s and then went on a winning streak for half a decade before Frazier ended it. Going into his title fight with Frazier he had 3 back to back victories against top contenders Bonavena, Quarry and Patterson. So yeah, Ellis wasn't just some guy with 5 losses.

    Outside of beating Ellis, he also beat Quarry, Bonavena, Chuvalo, Ramos, Mathis (who at 243 pounds ironically resembles the average modern heavyweight), Machen etc.

    He basically cleaned out the division before the new faces started appearing.
     
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  9. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Umm. Shovel hook. Educate yourself
     
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  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    frazier destroys vitali, based on him destroying many titlists like him.

    vitali doesn't beat frazier, based on vitali not beating the one atg (worst form ever) he faced when vits was prime...in fact getting stopped before halfway.
     
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  11. SmackDaBum

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    One trick pony wouldn't even reach with his trick.
     
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  12. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Against Wlad, maybe, against Vit, 0 chance.
     
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  13. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    That one ATG Vit faced would put Fraizer in a comma so that's a horrible argument.
     
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  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    no it isn't, because your argument is based on "wouldda" not like mine which is based on "ACTUALLY HAPPENED"


    FLOP MATE.
     
    HerolGee, Mar 6, 2016
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  15. Bulawayo

    Bulawayo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal

    Chris Byrd made Vitali quit on his stool.

    If that were Joe Frazier instead of Chris Byrd,Vitali would still be in our prayers.
     
    Bulawayo, Mar 6, 2016
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