A prime Paul Williams would be a nightmare for Floyd

Wishful thinking. Williams fights smaller than he is, but he doesn't fight small. And comparing Sergio to Maywether is ridiculous.


Keith

 

I didn't compare him to Martinez, just suggesting that there are fighters, many who were getting the better of Williams, simply by counter punching. Citron is neither slick or has great reflexes, was countering Williams with the right hand well before he leap frogged. Williams DOES give up his height terribly and on the occasions where he didn't completely give up his height, he have his head straight up, throwing punches, which is a big no no. Mayweather would counter him with the right hand all night and move out of the way, especially if this is a prime mayweather who had some of the best legs since RJJ.

The only reason Williams beat Quintana so easily the 2nd fight, because the first fight was not a Fluke, was because he used his height and got full leverage on his left hand. He sometimes did this in fights, but he didn't do it enough and he should've worked off his jab way more, a snapping jab.

 

So if Mayweather was roughly 20 pounds heavier, a southpaw, and fought a darting style, he could pull off a 1-1 with Williams.


Williams can be exposed, but by nothing Mayweather does. Mayweather does not aggressively counter punch, he rolls and punches requiring afew things

1. The fighter to stop punching for a moment so he can get his counter off after his roll. the reason why Cotto in the early stages of the fight, and Castillo were able to win some big rounds against Mayweather is they kept the pressure on. Mayweather had trouble timing counters because the punches kept coming and was hit often when he attempted to counter.

2. The shoulder roll defense does not work particularly well against signficantly tall fighters. the punches are coming down OVER the shoulder defense, requiring the hands to be kept up or you are still going to get hit. It happened to Toney everytime he fought a taller guy. .

3. If if Williams gives up SOME of his height he will still be at a distance where check hooks and quick rights will either be short or not landing with full force, especially having to throw the punches up.


Keith

 

I agree but there's something I will just never get...

How the hell can people come down on Floyd for 'ducking' Williams when NOBODY want to fight Williams?

The only fighters who were willing to step in the ring with him were Margarito and Martinez. If you were watching the sport at the time, you would know this.

 

Aggressive counterpuncher? What the hell are you talking about?

1. Mayweather was not in his prime anymore when he fought Cotto. He was noticeably slower and his legs are not as good anymore. Against Castillo, he had a torn rotator cuff. In the second fight he got completely dominated by a healthy mayweather. Even though mayweather was injuried with Castillo and is was not prime with Cotto, the reason they had success, because of their tactics against mayweather. They didn't just jump in with volume punches, rather they were able to push mayweather to the ropes. This is what cotto literally did, and it was where he had his success. P.Will doesn't fight like that, P.Will stands in the pocket and trades with volume punches, a bunch of different punches. Mayweather, for all his defense, did a lot of moving too. If he wanted to he didn't even have to use his philly shell, he could just use his legs, he did this in Castillo 2, did it against Chico, did it against so many fighters I can not even count. Sometimes he doesnt even USE the philly shell, but a high guard if he feels it can leave him too vulnerable, like he did against Zab and others.

2. How do you know the shoulder roll doesn't work against tall fighters? where is the proof that it doesn't? James Toney, fighting at heavy weight? Really? His Philly Shell didn't work against Jirov? Against Nunn? Against Littles? Didn't work against Sam Peter in the first fight (notice that Toney was not prime during this period)? Didn't work against John Ruiz? What are you trying to say? Besides Toney doesn't fight like Mayweather... who are you kidding? He doesn't just stand around in his prime and use his defense. Toney is not a fleet of foot fighter, Mayweather in his peak had great movement with his legs, he was only second to RJJ in this department. Mayweather is like a mix between Toney and Rjj, he had athleticism that while not on par with RJJ, it was like RJJ lite. You do realize that Mayweather had the best legs in the game when RJJ's left? What made you think Mayweather was a guy without legs? He would pot shot the hell out of Williams had they fought each other in their prime, and he move out of the way.

3. lol not really. You act like mayweather never fought tall fighters before. He would nail Williams with the left and right hand all night, like he did the other taller fighters he had to fight in his career.

Believe me I liked P.Will, and felt he was a good fighter. But your argument is not very good, almost like you are just leaving out other aspects to mayweather's game. Anything that P.Will would throw at him, Mayweather would be able to adjust, he is number one in that department.

 

He wouldn't. If he fought like a man of his size should have. Using his jab and long reach not only would he have been a nightmare for Mayweather and every welterweight in history. He made Hearns look like a migit. He would have beaten mayweather and every welterweight in history. Instead he liked to trade. Giving up his advantages to fight an agresive fight plays right into Mayweather's greatest stregth. Counter Punching. The reason Leonard and Hearns would beat Mayweather is the fact that neather would engage him in a fight. The reason Williams would lose to Mayweather is that he would engage him in a fight.

 

yep cause throwing alot of punches is what boxing is about

 

I think Williams would get Diego Corallesed. i see Floyd leaping in close and landing beautiful stuff on williams, And just breaking him apart on the inside, taking advantage of Williams long arms.

 

i always thought williams would win rounds vs Mayweather, wouldn't pick him to win but would pick him to make it a good fight, slightly closer than the cotto fight. other than vernon forrest i always felt prime P-Dub had the best shot of anyone vs mayweather

 

That's what I get trying to talk boxing with a *****.

My bad.

Keith

 

Floyd would lost to pre-Martinez KO Williams. But win a clear UD against post-Martinez KO.

As of now, Floyd beats Paralyzed Williams by 5th round TKO.

 

Lol I'm a "*****" for not finding your argument to make sense and thinking Mayweather would beat P.Will? Like I said before, IF P.WILL used his height, fought beyond and used, his jab to set up his offense, then he would win, IMO. But P.WILL doesn't fight like that, he is a volume puncher, who stands in the pocket and literally trades shots. Sometimes he moves his head, a lot of the times he just absorbs the blows as his defense was not the best. And he had more pop, just that he didn't use his height to get maximum leverage.

I am not a fighter fan, but a boxing fan and have critized mayweather heavily in the past, and still thinks he couldn't carry RJJ spit bucket. But even though I have my negative opinions about his 'attitude' and his ignorant behavior, I admire his skills. P.Will would not beat him with his style, he has to fight tall to beat mayweather, otherwise he wouldve got counterpunch incessantly. Mayweather was much faster than P.WILL and he'd counterpunch, then move out of danger, ala RJJ.

 

mayweather vs ndou all over again. pw always had flaws and instead of quintana
exposing it 1st it would have been floyd. but i think 147 pw was a bad ****er and would be a problem for anyone at that weight and time of course.