A purely logical argument for why Wilder is better than AJ

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NEETzschean, Sep 27, 2021.


Who is the more dangerous?

Poll closed Oct 4, 2021.
  1. AJ

    55.4%
  2. Wilder

    44.6%
  1. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He can land on Joshua, Wilder landed around 3 bombs on Fury in 12 rounds, that was a 60% Fury too.
    I have AJ beating Wilder 7 or 8 times out of 10. He's just better and he can KO Wilder the same way Wilder can KO him, the difference is that AJ is better in every department outside of power.
     
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  2. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Maybe the one who’s actually been fighting top opposition

    you keep saying your only replying with logic, reason, and whatever, but everything your saying is bs
     
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  3. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And if Fury who isn't a known puncher can put Wilder on his backside with no effort, so can AJ.
     
  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    AJ never left his backyard and nor did Wilder: neither conclusively ducked the other. Barry Hearn claimed that they rejected a $50 million offer from Wilder's team because they were worried about AJ getting robbed in America. I don't know what went on behind the scenes but I know that Hearn regarded Wilder as an extremely dangerous opponent from the fact that he switched his pick from Fury to Wilder in the rematch as soon as he knew that Fury would be aggressive. Wilder's length, speed, explosive power, durability and stamina advantages give him a great chance of landing first, as well as the ability to take a lot of punishment before he lands his bombs. AJ lacks the skills, the toughness and the temperament to avoid or endure Wilder's right hand and take the fight to him.

    I agree that Fury 1 was a cherrypick gone wrong as well as an attempt to gain the upper hand in the AJ negotiations but AJ's two best wins were cherrypicks as well. Hearn could have made AJ-Ortiz in late 2016 on the same card, instead he made AJ-Molina and Ortiz-Allen. He could have made AJ-Usyk in mid 2019 but he instead pursued easy mandatories with the likes of Miller/Ruiz (didn't turn out to be so easy) and 39.5 year old, 13 months inactive pudding Pulev. AJ got turned over by a weak fringe contender in the most embarrassing upset in boxing history, Wilder got turned over by Fury. The value of the Parker, Whyte and Ruiz wins are falling with every fight. Usyk (who they had been aging out) was a mandatory that they were backed into due to Wilder's arbitration. When all is said and done in a couple of weeks, Wilder will have fought the best HW on the planet three times, along with 40 year old Ortiz x2 to round out his top 5. AJ will have fought 35 year old Usyk, 41 year old Wlad, 39 year old Povetkin, green Whyte? Parker??? Before mandatory Usyk, AJ hadn't fought an especially dangerous opponent since old Povetkin 3.5 years ago and even there AJ was the overwhelming favourite. In the last 3 years, Wilder has faced by far the stronger opponents more consistently than AJ.
     
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  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Fury x2/about to be x3, Ortiz x2, Breazeale over the last 3.5 years is higher quality opposition than Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Ruiz, Pulev, Usyk and AJ has performed worse, getting battered and made to quit in a 90/10 and getting schooled and battered in a 70/30, while scoring fewer KO's and KD's.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If AJ fights Wilder like he did Usyk, standing in punching range all night, he's a sitting duck for Wilder's right hand and he's going to be in trouble. If he boxes and is more elusive, he has the skills to outpoint Wilder.
     
  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Wilder was even able to land critical right hand bombs on a rusty and poorly conditioned but extremely fast, agile, long and defensively skilled Fury (257 lbs, 27-0) which shows us just how skilled he is at landing his Sunday punch. Olympian Breazeale (255 lbs, 20-1) was a tough man who took some knocking out: AJ needed more than 6 rounds and 166 punches for the referee to step in but Wilder ended the fight in the 1st round with a single punch. If it were so easy to spark Breazeale then AJ would have done so rather than wear him down with a vast accumulation of blows. The evidence tells us that Wilder's explosive one-punch power is levels above AJ's and combined with his superior speed, length, agility, durability, stamina, confidence, heart, determination, fighting instincts, experience, unconventionality, unpredictability and ease of underestimation, he would be extremely dangerous for virtually any heavyweight in history.

    Even Wlad Klitschko, who is a huge AJ supporter, highly intelligent and has sparred AJ and Wilder extensively, was unable to pick a winner between them due to Wilder possessing “good power in his hands”, being “extremely fast”, longer, more experienced and very unpredictable."
     
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  8. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Reminds me of a common line of reasoning ahead of Fury-Klitschko, 'Fury got put down by featherfisted Cunningham, Wlad's steelhammer right hand will KO him.'

    Different fighters who throw punches differently.
     
  9. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:



















    Didn't read.

    :SimpHomer:
     
  10. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Lay off Fury and one really good version of Fury. Where he was humiliated twice

    Old as hell Ortiz who’s fought nobody

    Breazeale isn’t even that good of a name on AJ’s resume and that’s a top 3 wilder win.

    Dont even compare resumes, Wilder’s is a joke
     
  11. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Good to see you get schooled on Reddit too :risas3::risas3::risas3:

    [url]https://www.reddit.com/user/NEETzschean/[/url]

    Quick question, how many hours a day do you spend at your computer defending Wilder?
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He got schooled on reddit too ? LOL
     
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  13. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If you're going to be this dishonest I'm putting you on ignore.

    Parker has hardly any power or aggression (0 KO's and 1 KD against his 8 best opponents, including COJANU) Ruiz is aggressive but that exposes his lack of power even more, failing to stop a very chinny shot Liakhovich over 10 and losing several rounds, losing several rounds over 10 to a well past it Kevin Johnson, failing to KO the very chinny cruiser journeyman Joell Godfrey and chinny journeyman Zumbano Love over 8. This 6' at best, 268 lbs Mexican blob (who has gone the distance with 8 of his last 13 opponents, mostly journeymen, and was hurt more by 40 year old 18 month retired Arreola in one fight than by AJ over two) dropped AJ 4 times on route to making him quit in the 7th. AJ got the W over a far fatter and less trained version of the Mexican blob by being on his bike for 12, jabbing and clinching. Pulev is another HW with very little power (with every punch aside from his jab) and he was 39.5 years old with 13 months of inactivity. Povetkin was 39 years old and was winning the fight 4-2 before AJ stopped him in the 7th but Usyk was not quite 35 (breaking the cardinal sin of Hearn's matchmaking: no viable opponents under the age of 39, preferably with over a year of inactivity as well) and it showed: Usyk schooled and later battered a prime AJ in his own backyard in front of 70,000 AJ fans on route to a UD which was far more comfortable than the judges scorecards suggested.

    Ortiz x2 was old like 2/3 of AJ's best wins but he's still a highly skilled power punching southpaw with better wins against the same opponents than genuine contenders and the fringe contenders on AJ's resume. Wilder was down on the cards in the second Ortiz fight but he KO'd Ortiz and knocked him down 4 times over 2 fights: the only opponent to beat or KD Ortiz over 28-32 fights. AJ took 7 rounds and 166 punches to stop Breazeale, whereas Wilder iced him with 9 total but only really needed one in the 1st round. Even taking Fury's sub-optimal condition into consideration, he was still a top 3 HW and the fight was not a "domination" considering that Wilder was a second away from winning the fight, knocked Fury down twice and was not hugely outlanded. Wilder was dominated by Fury in the rematch but I'll say it again; Fury isn't Pudding Ruiz Jr. Fury would do an even more brutal demolition job on AJ, who has an inferior chin/recovery powers, engine, heart, speed, power, length etc. so Fury could be even more aggressive against AJ and get him out of there more quickly. Wilder will likely lose again to Fury in just under 2 weeks but AJ will likely lose again to Usyk in 6 months time. Wilder has fought more live fighters (4 and soon to be 5 vs 2) over the last 3.5 years and has not lost or been KO'd by a non-live fighter as AJ has.
     
  14. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Imagine being this much of a simp to Wilder, and not even being good at it. It's fantastic.

    I bet NEET's parents change the subject when friends ask about him.
     
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  15. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    You’ve been talking bs this entire thread and no one has agreed with you so far. I am not reading all that