A question about old time fighters

The one thing you are missing however is the skill level of Louis. He far surpasses the skill level of Lewis. (Surpasses all other hwt champions)

It's important not only to understand the history of boxing but also what great boxing is all about.

 

This is the closest I could come to it for now. The weighin's were settled at the signing of the fight contract. I believe I might have read it on ESB also.

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Here is a Robert Edgren column where it mentions the Nelson - Gans weigh in.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...0--1--txt-txIN-gans+mcgovern+weigh+in-------1

 

Greetings again Hulk!
Your military ****ogy adds fuel to what I had mentioned earlier.
Would the U.S. military in 2000 wipe out the U.S. military in 1920? or 1940? or 1960?
If you want to take the great fighters from the 10's-20's-30's-40's and beyond, put them in a time machine and match them up with the current heavies (or the Best Heavies) yes many of them would get 'smooshed'.
Consider:
Lennox Lewis being born in 1897.
Mike Tyson being born in 1897.
The Klits being born in Tsarist Russia in 1897.
Joe Louis being born in 1972.
Jack Dempsey being born in 1972.
Jack Johnson being born in 1972.
Ray Robinson being born in 1972 (OMG that's frightening just to think about)
IM(continuing)O you...can't...compare...eras.

 

Nonsense. Gans did not weigh in with street clothes. The final pre fight weigh in was filmed and I have it. Gans weighed in inside the ring just prior to the fight wearing nothing but his boxing trunks. Nelson did the same thing. Nelson didn't ask Gans to do anything he wasn't willing to do himself in regards to the weigh in. He had a very good reason for being strict on the weigh in. Gans had been having difficulty making the lightweight limit and had been consistently advocating for the limit to be raised from higher than the historical 133. He even fought several "championship" bouts contracted well above the 133 pound limit. This fight was for THE championship that both Nelson and Gans claimed. Nelson contended that the bout be fought at the generally recognized weight limit of 133 or there would be no fight. This fight was for a huge purse and was to a finish so he had every right to be wary of allowing Gans to come in with a weight advantage.

Same day weigh ins and even ringside weigh ins were the rule of the day, not the exception.

 

A question, was it normal to weigh in 3 times on the same day as the fight?
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Truth is, how can we assess any fighter's chances against any other fighter based on film ?

Often we might get the general result right but rarely imagine the fight 100% correctly or anywhere near. And quite often we don't even get the winner right. And that's with fighters competing in the same era against common opponents.

But then again, we like to argue about cross-era 'fantasy' fights because we can't ever be proven wrong.

 

I explained to you exactly why. Irregardless it was you who made the asinine claim that he was forced to make weight in his street clothes and again, he wasnt FORCED to do anything that Nelson, who also had a claim to the championship, wasnt willing to do himself. Its no different than if Floyd Mayweather suddenly started defending his WW championship at 150 instead of 147. Gans was claiming the title but was "defending" it at weights all over the map several pounds north of the commonly accepted 133 lb limit. Furthermore most of Gans recent fights had been against welterweights. Nelson wasnt having any of this. He made it clear he was going to fight at LW or not at all. All this apologist bull**** for Gans has gone on for years and totally ignores a large part of the context for this fight.

 

So from my asinine remark, to your learned response that Nelson did the same, was he also required to weigh in 3 times the day of? Don't you think, oops forget I said that, 3 times the day of sounds a little much maybe not to you, hmmmm!
Nelson and team were looking for the advantage, not Gans who was fighting WW's. 3 times is way above and beyond what should have been, they were looking to weaken Gans, since you still dksab, you consider Nelson's stance innocent

 

It wasn't commonly accepted to be 133 pounds anymore. Most experts didn't see a problem with 135 pounds. Neither was it necessary for the fighters to weigh in at ringside for it to be accepted as championship fight. Of course, there were some writers and old-time boxers who insisted upon traditional limit and ringside weigh-in, but they were in the minority, in my opinion. Even during Jack McAuliffe's reign 133 pounds limit wasn't adhered to.

Three weigh-ins, of course, were not common. I don't remember any other fight where the champion or the contender were forced to weigh in thrice (and now allowed to be overweight at any of the three, on a threat that there'd be no fight).

 

Senya who are you trying to fool. 133 was the generally accepted weight at the time. Just search "light weight limit" "boxing" "133" and you will find literally thousands of articles on the subject from this period. Throw the word "Gans" in there and you will see hundreds of articles decrying Gans claiming the championship but unwilling or able to actually make the limit. THAT is why Nelson demanded such strict weigh measures and again, Nelson weighed in three times as well. Its not like he forced Gans into the ring at gunpoint to win three seperate times (in his street clothes as Dempsey pretends). Gans made that choice to prove he was a lightweight and good for him, he won. But all of this nonsense about the big bad Nelson making all of these unfair demands on Gans that have been going on for nearly a century are poppy****. Nelson was an ******* and a nut but he was absolutely right and well within his rights in this instance. And I never said it was NECESSARY TO WEIGH IN AT RINGSIDE, what I said was that same day weigh ins and ringside weights (for bouts where weights were contracted) was the rule of the day, not the exception. If you dispute this you have no clue what you are talking about. I dont care if you live in Russia and have limited access to sources or not, anyone who can post on this forum can do a cursory internet source of any number of newspaper morgues and find more sources documenting all of the above to keep them busy for months.

 

Gans was better than Nelson. I remember Gans, not nelson

 

Yes Nelson did. And if its looking to weaken an opponent by forcing him to actually make weight for a championship then I say bravo. Gans ability to make weight had been questioned for years Nelson was perfectly correct and demanding that he actually prove he was a lightweight. Nelson was able to do it and came in weighing 130 pounds. If you dont like fighters making weight then stick to the HWs.

 

Nope. Joe Louis was only skilled because he was trained by Jack "Chappie" Blackburn...who used to fight Joe Gans and get licked..so, actually, Joe Louis is a super-sized version of Joe Gans "The Old Master".

 

Oh please, Gans like McFarland was really a 140pdr, trying like hell to get down to the weight at the time. Both might have fought at WW but they weren't natural WW's too small so they opted to lose the weight and try to go down to 133. What is it that you cant understand 3 weigh in's the day of is way beyond what should be. Simpleton there is NO rules that say he had to weigh in 3x's, but anything to fit your mean spirited wailing. It had been said that Gans had to weigh in with gloves, shoes and trunks at one of the weigh in's. The ringside weigh in was with trunks. One weigh in at ringside would have been sufficient and going along with the rules. Since you still DKSAB, you think weighing in at ringside would have hurt Nelson at what 132 and change, that they both weighed at ringside, boy are you dumb. Like Gans could have rehydrated between the weigh in and the 1st bell.