A question for everyone that I asked in a different thread...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by WiDDoW_MaKeR, Jan 14, 2010.


  1. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    Why not right after the fight? If he is dirty it is going to comeout anyways right?

    Suppose they test him 14 days before the fight and he comes clean, then what would be the excuse if PBF gets his ass kicked??
     
  2. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    C'mon man, don't be short sighted. Yes they've been bigger but they've also been slower. Pac's been beating them up with accumulation as he's always done. The KO punches were all unseen coming in and right on the chin.
     
  3. Sheehan

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    then he would have no excuse, he lost to the better man and everyone would know it.

    I cant see the logic in what you're proposing.

    Say fighter A seriously hurts fighter B, then blood tests after the fight show fighter A was PED'S, he might lose his win but fighter B is still seriously hurt.

    It stands to reason to have it done before to save risking a fighters health even further.
     
  4. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Amazing things can happen when you aren't weight drained anymore. I remember cutting weight horribly for wrestling. I would cut 20 pounds (had only 3.7% body fat) and be outmuscled by guys just because I was so damn drained. My energy was sapped as well and I would be wore out quicker than **** even though I trained my ass off. I had no strength left in me. Yet... the following year I decided to not cut weight anymore. I jumped up 5 weight classes and absolutely mauled and manhandled much larger people. I felt great... had great stamina... and had all of my speed, strength and explosiveness.
     
  5. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    14 day cut-off should have been accepted and the fight should have been signed.
     
  6. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    Man GTFO with that ****!!!! When you walk into a ring you have to know there is a chance of getting seriously hurt dude.....This aint golf.....
     
  7. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    People act like Pac is all roided up because Pac acts like a roid user the minute advanced testing is mentioned. His excuses changed everyday, each time a logical counter argument or concession was offered by PBF's camp they had a new reason why he couldnt do it.


    Pac didnt want the USADA to do it, PBF said fine Nevada can do it

    Pac said he didnt want to be weak on fight night and take a test immediately before the fight. Roach has said Pac needs 3 days and at other times Roach said 5 days. Then that turned into 30 days then 24 days and 14 days wasnt enough.

    Arum said Pac is afraid of needles. Then the obvious comes out that Pac has a million tattoos and takes blood tests before every fight for diseases. Paulie M said all his blood tests were within a few weeks of the fight and he never had a problem. So then after that it was the principle of the matter.


    Then the other excuse was PBF doesnt make the rules. Which completely ignored the fact that Pac negotiated for 8oz gloves which are in his favor and Nevada rules are for 10oz for welterweight.


    That is why people act like Pac is on something.
     
  8. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Just because they weighed the same at age 16 means nothing.
     
  9. Sheehan

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    then maybe you should have taken note that I said "why risk a fighters health even further".
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    There already is testing for drugs. Why does Pac have to jump through hurdles that were never asked of any professional boxer in history? Besides that... Manny agreed to take 3 blood tests and was willing to give **** tests every day if they wanted it. I mean... for ****'s sake the man was willing to accept the fact that Floyd had just insulted the **** out of him... and still agreed to 3 blood tests and 60 **** tests within a 2 month span. That isn't enough for Floyd to feel "safe" enough to get into the ring with Pac? That's just absurd. Pathetic. Floyd was simply trying to bully Pac and gain and mental advantage by forcing Pac to feel like he wasn't 100% come fight night. Everyone looking at this from a neutral standpoint knows this. You can read back on my posts before and I have bashed Pac in the past and defending Floyd in the past. I wasn't even sure who I would root for coming into this fight. Floyd has disgusted me.
     
  11. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    It's really very simple. Pac doesn't need to let Floyd bully him around. Pac can do whatever the hell makes him feel comfortable as he clearly already had given into much more than he ever needed to. Obviously 3 blood tests and 60 **** tests (as well as being willing to give hair samples as well) all within a 2 month span isn't enough for Floyd to feel "safe". Bull****, it was NEVER about Floyd thinking Manny would come up dirty. It was ALWAYS about Floyd looking to get a mental edge over Pac... just like he does for every fight.
     
  12. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    Ditto!!

    And not only did they insulted him but now everyone is looking at Pac as a cheater basically without any proof but just because Paulie, Cintron, and Mayweather Sr said. Thats what pissed me off.

    Exactly how much damage do you think can be done to a boxer by another boxer who is "suppossesly" on PEDs??? BTW, we are still talking about fighting PBF right? This guy has never been touched...
     
  13. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    Its entirely illogical to believe that someone would be weakened from a needle 2 weeks later. Further more PBF would be taking the same needle. Its also entirely illogical to believe Pac would be "mentally affected" by it, he is a grown ****ing man, a professional athlete who has been boxing all his life and has taken a blood test before every pro fight for diseases. Their excuses are entirely lame and illogical.


    Also if Pac wanted to clear his reputation, I think passing the advanced test and beating PBF in the ring would make a great statement to the public and also for his lawsuit.
     
  14. Put-Em-Up

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    Maybe he felt 14 days from the fight was the most intense part of his training and he didn't want a blood test interfering with the most intense part of his training sparring etc. i don't know for sure just trying too see this argument without floyd or pac tinted glasses on.Maybe hes roiding thru the ****ing roof i dont know just possiblitys.
     
  15. dilayro

    dilayro Active Member Full Member

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    why do you need blood testing when your God Floyd said it's an easy fight anyway even ESB polls had Floyd winning.

    Wak the talk Floyd, don't let your fans fight for you.