A question to Roy Jones Jnr fans about his win over J Toney

The Thadzi loss had nothing to do with Style, and frankly I don't think the Tiberi fight did.

Toney was severely weight drained for both fights. Against Thadzi he sweated his **** off and came down to 179. He was sent away to the sauna and given a couple of hours, and returned weighing 177. He then passed out on the scales, and he had to have IVs for the fight to go ahead.

He boiled down against Tiberi, and it left him exhausted. He knocked him down in the first round, and burned what energy he had left trying to finish him.

Williams outworked Toney in their first fight because Toney again hadn't lost the weight effectively. The rematch, and other fights showed that, stylistically, crowding Toney was very effective when he was weight drained, but fatal when he wasn't as his infighting was terrific.

 

The win over Toney is exactly whatever people want to make of it. Jones Jr fans point out how highly regarded Toney was, which is fair enough to a point.

Toney should have lost to Tiberi, but he would have had a rematch and doubtlessly got his act together. Toney should have got the nod against McCallum in the first fight, and both fights against Griffin (which would have improved Roy's stock).

I'm biased against Roy a little because of his attitude, which prevailed even in the build up for this fight. Roy had struggled to make 160 even before the Hopkins fight. He even won his first strap at 168. People wanted the Toney fight much earlier than it happened, and so did Toney. Roy stalled, and stalled, and stalled. Toney announced he was going to move up to 175 by Summer '94 because he simply couldn't make 168 any more. Roy then seized the opportunity to goad Toney into taking the fight in November of that year, and Toney was too proud to admit he couldn't make the weight.
Throw in Toney weighing 207lbs six weeks out, and it takes the shine off the win. Whilst Jones' fans state Toney is wholly responsible for this (and in many respects he is), Team Jones knew exactly what they were doing. Toney may well have been better prepared for a rematch at 175, and he chased it for years, but Jones wanted none of it.

 

You don't have a point beyond that.

Honestly have you watched any of Toney's fights?

 

:good

 

Would he have earned some respect defending his WBA crown against Michael Grant? Or maybe Andrew Golota?

 

No...

Dropping back down to Light Heavyweight and beating Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver was a greater feat in my opinion.:deal

Though the lineage after that showdown is in heavy favor of the G's... Roy Jones(no G to speak of) lost to, Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver, who lost to Glen Johnson, who lost to Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver, who lost to Bernard "Ugly" Hopkins who lost to Joe "The Italian Dragon" Calzaghe...

 

Agreed, it was a greater feat. Unfortunately Hopkins v. Calzaghe wasn't for any titles. The lineage would truly be continued 6 years later by Sergey Kovalev. Sergey appears to be a lock to unify the light heavy division, considering the disturbing lack of Gs at the top of that group.

 

Wait a sec so Jones should have fought him at LHW. Didn't he struggle with weight there too ? Come on now so what you would have given him credit for a fight there ? Toney was inxonsitant at LHW and competed between cruiser and LHW .. I highly doubt you would have gave Jones credit there either ..But then again you said you were bias towards him anyways .

 

You guys say Toney should've lost to Tiberi, (watch the fight yourselves) had a close fight with R Johnson, and a draw with McCallum...and then say Cal clearly beat Hop lol... Just a side question.

Where is Cal's gauntlet lol...???

Oh this isn't about Cal lol...

Stop bumping this thread Serge you fat, balding, steaming pile of cow dung!