A question....

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Gooners2, Nov 30, 2011.


  1. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    If Amir Khan would of put Prescott down the way Prescott put him down, would Prescott of been allowed to go back at him after getting up, and keep in mind how prematurely British refs tend to stop fights in this country? Its just I watched it back today and thought...you know what, had that of been Prescott that fight would of been waved off right there and then, after the first KD. He wouldn't of got no benefit of the doubt to get up and go straight back at him. To me it just shows how biased refs are toward British fighters.

    I remember Derry Mathews getting put down about 6 times against Choi, yet he was allowed to continue. I can remember thinking at the time, if that was Choi on the deck, no way would of he got the benefit of the doubt. If I recall Mathews was more of an upcoming prospect back then, where as Choi didn't seem to have the cult hero status he's got now. He was just another foreigner

    British refs make me cringe! From Ian John Lewis's scorecards to John Keane parading around the fighters like he's down the park walking in his dog. You have Dave Parris who let Hatton commit GBH on Zoo, and was it Parris who allowed the Khan-Barrera fight to run into the 5th round so Khan would be virtually guaranteed the win?


    At times its like you cant even afford to get hurt if your the away fighter, or if your not the favourite and are going up against a touted prospect, as the refs are looking for any opportunity to stop the fight.

    If Calzaghe had done what Manfredo did, would he of been stopped?
     
  2. Alien

    Alien Chin Scholar Full Member

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    No. The ref even gave him a full count on the 2nd knockdown when he was clearly gone.
     
  3. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Exactly. You only had to look at how he was stumbling when he got back on his feet to no that fight should of been stopped right there and then. Of coarse he was allowed to carry on because the ref is one of you know who's merry men.
     
  4. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I remember Lunny made this point in the lounge a week or two ago(big shout out to Lunny, reppin' Somerset inside ESB innit) and I thought he was spot on, that ''British stoppages'' tend to only apply to either foreign fighters or the man who has less promotional backing.

    Khan, hell, even Enzo Macc against Frenkel(I think the referee was Finnish, but I'm sure you'll all let me away with it) both received the benefit of the doubt when their equilibrium was as non-existent as Neil Warnock's eyebrows, but guys like Max Maxwell, Rafal Jackiewicz, and countless others have been prematurely halted.
     
  5. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    I agree:good

    Specially the first KD in the Prescott fight, no way would they have let Prescott, or any other ''away'' fighter for that matter continue
     
  6. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Also, why dont these refs, you know, actually do their job? I'm sick of hearing them shout break! to the fighters. ****ing get in there and break them em up if they aint working inside. What, you think one of em is gonna to take a step back on your command only for the other guy to throw whilst he's pulling out, only for the other guy to look at you as though to say WTF? Then you just shrug your shoulders as if to say, what? Its protect yourself at all times. There is too much of a grey area to exploit for a fighter to step back on the refs command, as what if the other guy doesn't cooperate and throws a punch? You see it time and again where the fighters break and the other fighter doesn't cooperate and hits him, then the ref has the audacity to say **** like"protect yourself at all times" :lol:, mofo! you said break!


    Man you aint there to take a leisurely stroll and act tough by grabbing them around the back of the head shouting at them like little school kids when they dont cooperate. Your there to give warnings, deduct points when they continue to break the rules, and to get in there and break them up when there is a lull in the action, as that is the best deterrent you can have for them to follow the rules.
     
  7. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    No British ref would have allowed Prescott to stumble backwards like that
     
  8. Everyone who had anything to do with Enzo wanted that fight to be stopped. Especially knowing Enzo's history. He was clearly gone. I don't think he got the benefit becuase he was the home fighter. That Finnish Guy is just crap. Seen him do a few fights over here.

    I do feel Khan got the benefit tho.. being the home.. unbeaten fighter.. He was given every chance to save his 0.
     
  9. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    Controversial but you could even question Alfred Asaro during the Benn fight to. Now maybe he was just an incompetent ref who gave Benn the benefit of the doubt, but who knows.
     
  10. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    We are all sensitive to the injuries sustained to various British fighters over the years, but there is a definite biased toward British fighters.
     
  11. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    The break /protect yourself thing is supposed to just add a bit of insurance."Inbuilt Redundancy" I think management types call it.

    "Break" should stop the action, if Fighter A hits Fighter B before "box" then he should be warned but at least "protect yourself at all times" (hopefully) stops Fighter B from getting flattened if either of the boxers hasn't heard one of the commands.
     
  12. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-BlNtC1DqU[/ame]
     
  13. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Looking at it it it seems that the ref didn't tell them to stop?
     
  14. Gooners2

    Gooners2 Archie Solis Full Member

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    In theory it should probably be the way you said, but in practice I think there is too much of a grey area. I mean how many times are fighters in a clinch and the ref says break and they DONT break? So which command are they following, the first time he says break, the second, or what? It just creates too much confusion imo.
     
  15. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    just looked again. IMHO the ref didn't call break, Gatti got distracted by him and didn't protect himself. Legit knockdown. Not great reffing but Gattis fault he got knocked down.