a REAL DUCK is when a guy refuses to fight someone who is A BIGGER STAR than he is

Hatton v Witter is exactly the kkind of situation that is not a duck. Hatton is a bigger name, higher ranked fighter who brings in more $, OF COURSE Witter wants to beat Hatton. Not a duck.

 

This. :good

 

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But they were the number 1 and 2 in the division , how can Hatton then go on to fight a shot Castillo?. When a witter fight was clearly bigger and more significant.

I am a Hatton fan , but the facts are there to see.

Another duck is Hamed vs JMM.

 

AND most importantly, Mayweather can duck Paq
which is the whole reason for this thread in the first place.

 

Too many forms of DUCK out there. In pac's case I would say they have went around certain styles Defensive (counter punchers) as well as fighters who win by the same means as pac which is with overwhelming speed.

In the case of guzman who was on top of his game at 130 beating Barrios and Soto in sturn fashion, A fight between them two was the most interesting because they both win by the same means. Pac more offensive (tenatious) while guzman more of a counter puncher who throws combinations off the counter, who can also be offensive if he wants. Guzman had a great chin at that weight also and could match Pac's speed. Roach in an interview was asked about fighting Guzman and simply says there is no reason to fight Guzman. He was telling the truth in a Biz sense because having two guys like that is very unpredictable for both fighters because neither has had to fight an opponent of equal handspeed. Same is the case with berto now though I think Guzman at 130 was the better fighter than the current berto though and berto's speed is just barely under Pac's while I feel Guzman's speed at 130 matched pac.

 

No. How do you explain regional-grade American professionals who duck tough, European opposition?

 

according to me, none of those are ducks

 

I wouldn't exactly say it was bigger, more significant...but not bigger, outside of the UK anyway. Hatton facing and stopping Castillo (shot or not) got him his bout with Mayweather.

 

Let's assume for a second that Hatton and Witter were the top2

Who was #1 and who was #2

You see my point. As a fighter, you're supposed to always want to look forward. It's never a duck in my eyes if you don't fight a guy who's behind you, even if you fight someone else who is also behind you.

You're gonna tell me that the guy who had the balls to fight Tszyu, Floyd, and Pac was scared of Witter? No way! The difference is that those guys were all ahead of Hatton at the time, while Witter was not

Compare that to Ward v Dirrell. Ward is the champ, the favorite, the bigger draw... And who doesn't wanna fight?

 

Hi, Herbzg :hi:

 

You think if Hatton fought Witter he'd have gotten the fight with Mayweather right after?

 

I know i'm in the minority here, because the majority throw the word duck around left right and center. They give no respect to the fighters. Like that #?!$% who said Pac was scared of Margo and was gonna fake an injury, and now after Pac ****s Margo up, he says Pac is scared of Floyd. Don't you learn from your mistakes?

 

A duck is more like when Pac picked up a title at LW against David Diaz instead of figting the best fighter at LW for the true championship.

It's not that he was scared of the champ, or that he couldn't beat the champ, but Pac just chose the easiest route for an ABC belt. Paper champ.

 

I think it is extremely rare for a fighter to be scared of another fighter. These guys have been fighting their whole lives.

Now Fight teams and promoters, I don't know about. At some point they all seem very calculated to make certain match ups because that's their job, MATCH MAKING. In the early years it's about a fighters progression. Once a fighter makes it to the top or to their potential, it's all about business. Make the match that sells and has the best possible chances at winning, when choosing your opponents stylistically. In deep divisions such as 140, this is harder to do because everyone is very good towards the top. So even though the match making is there it's about fighting the top guys that fit what you are doing stylistically and hoping another top fighter beats the guy with the style that give one's fighter problems.