A round of applause for the new lineal heavywheigt champion of the world

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LOL @ Widdow Maker who takes everything as a personal affront and calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a hater. No-one's even knocking his boy, we're just saying new lineage hasn't been established. Yet, in his nut hugging warped world, he takes it as a personal insult. I await his abusive response with glee.

 

finally the lineage has been reestablish..maybe he would retire still the champ just as lennox

 

Admittedly he is the number 1.

But you always make excuses for Wlad in this respect, you say 'undisputed doesn't matter its a myth, lineal doesn't matter its a myth, Wlad is the true champ.'

You say this because you know its difficult for Wlad to achieve this status. However it is not impossile and it should be hard. And stuff like this does matter, lineage is important. It was broken after Lewis retired, and it sorely needs to be re established, to do that, WQlad needs to unify a couple more belts.

Its difficult now, but it was difficult in the past. Why should Wlad get a pass here? Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis were all undisputed and linear at some stage, why should Wladimir, fighting in a comparatively **** (in fact drop comparatively) era get a free pass because some Klitites say so?

 

Exactly. It's fairytale romance stuff. Like some fantasy middle-ages story with wizards and ****... "And one day, the true king will stand forth, and only he - and he alone - can hold the golden rod of wanking; because he is the true heir of the true lineage!"

Hey, if you are into golden rods of wanking then that's great. Everyone needs a hobby.

But Wlad not being linear or lineal champion means sweet **** all. He is the best in the divisions. That is what matters.

 

Dude, without wanting to blow my top initially when you proclaimed Wladimir to be linear champion, why are you being such a dumb**** and hanging onto that claim which is unarguably WRONG, despite being told as such by about 20 posters?

Do you know what linear means? It means the man who beat the man who beat the man etc.

How does beating Chagaev give Wlad that status. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I fail to recollect Chagaev beating Lewis back in 2002, my memory seems hazy?

To become 'linear'; or rather to re-establish 'lineage', Wlad needs to become undisputed champion. There is no other way to do it, end of discussion, full stop.

Otherwise, people claim he wasn't the true champion, that Vitali or Valuev had better claims. Or that Wlad's championship status was lesser than the linear champions gone by who held undisputed status, or lineage from that.

 

So we'll just pretend Vitali doesn't exist then?

 

:happy:thumbsup

 

Wlad has unified the division farther than anyone since Lennox Lewis. He just beat the WBA champion. I don't know about lineal but he is pretty much THE Heavyweight Champion now like it ir not.

In this age being the IBF/WBO/IBO/Ring Magazine Champion is enough considering his brother holds the other belt and they will never fight.

 

He's not lineal. the lineage was broken when Lewis retired (man that sounds like something from lord of the rings!)

Can't argue that he's not the true champ though. He's cleaning up the division and I was privelaged enough to be at his latest clinic. The Gerry's sure know how to put on a good show :good

 

When Lewis retired Vitali and Sanders [who had just ko`d Wlad] fought for Lewis`s retired title, WBC belt and RING belt. The Klitittes were hailing Vitali as Lineal champ at that point. They also believed that Vitali actually beat the lineal champ, Lewis. At least he did fight the champ, Wlad hasnt.

Vitali never lost his titles, he was elavated to Emiritus champion while he was out injured. He came back and beat the holder of his belt and claimed the lineage of Rahman, Maskaev and Peter [Who wasnt champ when Wlad fought him!]to add to his cv, so effectively his championship and "Lineal" status still existed and has since beaten a number 1 contender.

To claim the lineal champ staus he will have to beat Vitali. You cant duck the next best ranked guy in the division and claim to be lineal from beating a hepatitis suffering guy that struggled with Skelton.

Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion.

Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! Wlads never fought the champ, win or lose!

But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!

Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status.

Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.

The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.

THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.

To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,

Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
He never lost the Ring title.
Lineage of victory over Wlad.
Lineage of WBO title. plus Wlads never been Emiritus!

Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?

 

Still the last true, Lineal and Undisputed champion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjC8W6iLEQ

 

I think the method employed by Ring Magazine is appropriate. Chagaev was clearly one of the top fighters in the world coming into the Klitschko fight and he is still a legit top ten heavyweight. If he is not who is then?