A round of applause for the new lineal heavywheigt champion of the world

Peter wasnt WBC champ yet when Wlad beat him, it was after that that Peter beat MASKAEV for Vitali`s WBC belt.

Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion.

Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! Wlads never fought the champ, win or lose!

But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!

Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status.

Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.

The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.

THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.

To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,

Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
He never lost the Ring title.
Lineage of victory over Wlad.
Lineage of WBO title. plus Wlads never been Emiritus!

Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?

 

neither holds any claim to lineage.

 

So to be the best you have to beat the number 3 guy and get a free pass to duck the number 2 guy who happens to have a title, also had the ring title and never lost it! Being The champ means youve proved to be the best by beating the best. Wlad isnt doing that so will never be undisputed champ or lineal.


Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion.

Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! Wlads never fought the champ, win or lose!

But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!

Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status.

Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.

The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.

THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.

To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,

Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
He never lost the Ring title.
Lineage of victory over Wlad.
Lineage of WBO title. plus Wlads never been Emiritus!

Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?

The WBA lineage goes back as far as.. Ruiz winning another VACANT version of it after losing it and the guy holding it [Roy Jones] dumping it. Ruiz never had a legit claim to that title in the first place, he won it by elimination vs. Rahman and previously against Holyfield for vacant versions of it when Don King stole it from Lewis due to a contract dispute. The true WBA line ended with Lewis also.

 

Out of interest did you recognize Carlos Baldomir as the champion for his win over Zab Judah? If not, what would Baldomir have had to have done to satisfy you? He beat the man, what more could he do? Perhaps you felt Judah's loss meant that Floyd Mayweather then became champ (even though he wasn't in the ring that night and had had only one fight aa a welterweight at the time.) And how is the "best in the world" decided? In your view, by opinion, rather than in the ring where it should be. Very satisfying and not how boxing should operate. It is your view that damages boxing as you would reduce it to little more than a popularity contest.

 

That is an interesting story. I can't say that I disagree with the decision of Nigel Collins though.

It seems like your gripe is not so much directed at Klitschko as it is at the Ring formula? Which may be a fair criticism. I personally have never had a problem with the formula before or after this fight so to me I think sanctioning the fight for the Ring crown was appropriate...let me ask you, would you feel the same way if Chagaev had won and claimed the Ring belt?

 

The last True, Lineal and Undisputed heavyweight champion was not Wlad, not Vitali, but this man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-OplDwnZY

 

This thread is a joke.

Wlad's last few fights have been INCREDIBLY BORING. Round of applause for what? Curing insomnia? Damn bunch of nut-huggers. Seriously, I thought everyone was meant to be a fan of boxing on here.