A Sequel: My Top 25 Fighters From The 25 Years Before Last (1958-1983)

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  1. DINAMITA

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    A couple of months ago I wrote my Top 25 Fighters Of The Last 25 Years. Here it is: (*with explanation for the inclusion of Tommy Hearns)

    1.Pernell Whitaker
    2.Roy Jones Jr
    3.Julio Cesar Chavez
    4.Evander Holyfield
    5.Floyd Mayweather Jr
    6.Lennox Lewis
    7.Bernard Hopkins
    8.Mike Tyson
    9.Thomas Hearns
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    10.Mike McCallum
    11.Oscar De La Hoya
    12.Manny Pacquiao
    13.Marco Antonio Barrera
    14.Erik Morales
    15.James Toney
    16.Hector Camacho
    17.Felix Trinidad
    18.Joe Calzaghe
    19.Ricardo Lopez
    20.Azumah Nelson
    21.Winky Wright
    22.Shane Mosley

    23.Kostya Tszyu
    24.Juan Manuel Marquez
    25.Johnny Tapia


    *yes, his 147 peak and fights with SRL and Benitez were before 1983, but his career went on successfully long after 1983, in a way that Leonard and Hagler and Duran's didn't, those three were on the way back down after '83, the best periods of their careers were undoubtedly before '83- except maybe Hagler's, but he didn't fight on long enough after 1983 to be considered for this time period IMO. Hearns on the other hand went on from 1983 to beat Duran, fight Hagler, beat younger naturally bigger guys like DeWitt and the previously undefeated Virgil Hill, get the better of SRL in their 2nd fight, and between 1983 and his retirement, he held the WBC light-middleweight title, WBC middleweight, WBO super-middleweight, and the WBC and WBA light-heavyweight titles, before finishing up as a cruiserweight. If the time period was the best fighters from the last 30 years, then obviously Hearns would be higher than 9th place, but I think his post-1983 career justifies his placing here



    So, I thought it would be good to produce a sequel and write my top 25 fighters from the previous 25 years, 1958-1983. Now, I am not a bona fide boxing historian, my knowledge decreases as we travel further back in time, so I am not as sure of this 25 than I was of my 25 1983-2008, but I hope you appreciate my list and please do comment on anything you approve/disapprove of:

    * list of fighters who fought on after 1958, but whose post-58 careers were not good enough to justify inclusion: Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Archie Moore

    My Top 25 Fighters 1958-1983


    1.ROBERTO DURAN

    2.Muhammad Ali

    3.Sugar Ray Leonard

    4.Carlos Monzon

    5.Alexis Arguello


    6.Marvin Hagler

    7.Eder Jofre

    8.Thomas Hearns

    9.Emile Griffith

    10.Salvador Sanchez

    11.Jose Napoles

    12.Ruben Olivares

    13.George Foreman

    14.Aaron Pryor

    15.Wilfredo Gomez

    16.Bob Foster

    17.Wilfred Benitez

    18.Larry Holmes

    19.Michael Spinks

    20.Joe Frazier

    21.Miguel Canto

    22.Antonio Cervantes

    23.Carlos Zarate

    24.Vicente Saldivar

    25.Carlos Ortiz



    Thoughts/opinions??
     
  2. kickbxn5

    kickbxn5 Active Member Full Member

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    I suprised not to see Matthew Saad Muhammad on the list
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    Who would you give the boot to put him in there amigo?
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Initial thought is that George Foreman is way too high. A big reason he is usually rated so high is because of his two careers, and his 2nd career came after 1983.

    Michael Spinks deserves higher, but part of that includes his work post-1983 (85' win over Holmes).

    Nothing really sticks out as that bad to me, or any glaring omissions off the top of my head.
     
  5. kickbxn5

    kickbxn5 Active Member Full Member

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    I would put him right before Frazier, behind Spinks. Look at Frazier's resume, impressive. Look at the quality of opposition that he defended his title against..Bob Foster (who had NO business in the heavyweight division), Terry Daniels (who?), Ron Stander (once again, who?) and Ali. 4 successful defenses against two big name opponents, one of them not even a heavyweight.

    Before Saad even won the title, he was in against big names like Nate Parlov, Marvin Camel, Mustafa Muhammad, Marvin Johnson, Billy Douglas, Richie Kates and Yaqui Lopez. His title defenses are legendary...the come from behind victory KO over Lopez, his title winning effort vs Johnson, his comeback KO over Murray Sutherland.

    How can you not rate this man?
     
  6. King Dan

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    Love it when I see Sanchez getting his due!
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    What number would you have him at, if you had to insert him into my list? Or what number do you think you would have him at if you wrote your own 25?
     
  8. kickbxn5

    kickbxn5 Active Member Full Member

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    Probably around 18. I definitely would have him behind Michael Spinks though.
     
  9. Boxing Fanatic

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    I think pernell is too damn high. If he laid off the snort who knows how good he could of been.
     
  10. TommyV

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    :patsch
     
  11. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Luis Rodriguez should be in there.
     
  12. Quickhands21

    Quickhands21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are Holyfield and Lewis above hopkins?
     
  13. Quickhands21

    Quickhands21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Camacho is too high in my opinion
     
  14. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Fighting Harada should also be there.
     
  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Very good effort, PacFan84.