A theory on why refs tolerate so much clinching

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wrestling and hugging IS NOT the same as clinching. That's what you're not understanding.
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Uh no.
     
  3. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Its like saying Rabbit punching isn't illegal, excessive Rabbit punching is....Both are illegal tactics. Don't tell me that's what your teaching in the gym over there to your students ???????/
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Now you're hiding behind semantics. You're not going to drag me into a war of semantics, when the crux is any type of grappling of the opponent is an illegal tactic. It's written in the ****en rules.
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Not nearly as bad as Grabimir Clinchko. That level of fouling will likely never be seen again in the sport
     
  6. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    pmsl, film says otherwise.. Imagine Ali cupping the back of his opponents head with his MASSIVE hands, you wouldn't be able to pull away !
     
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  7. Birmingham

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    Here comes the agenda boys, feeling threatened muhahahahaha. Ali was that keen on it people worldwide started thinking he was a homosexual FACT.. Bundini didn't help matters either !
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    No. A rabbit punch is a rabbit punch - no grey area.

    A clinch simply is not a clinch. Most of the time fighters are allowed fight in and out of the clinch. There are multiple different forms of clinch.
     
  9. Birmingham

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    Rigo...Didn't have to wait too long blood !
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Thats correct. The film does show otherwise.

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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Mills Lane DQ'd Henry Akawandy for excessive holding against Lewis.. WK would never have won a fight in Lane was the 3rd man in the ring. :elboinas:
     
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  12. the factor

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    All fights are different and fouls are acted upon depending on severity. Typically a ref will warn a fighter a couple of times in running while he his breaking them apart. If after that the same boxer continues to hold the ref should call stop and give him an official warning. Most times you will get away with at least 2 official warnings before a point is taken. No one is ever dqed after 1 point and will only ever happen after 2 pts are taken if it does happen at all. You are right about refs being reluctant about dqing boxers and even taking pts because they don't like to influence the outcome of fights.
     
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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The problem isn't even the clinching. The problem is that the referees will break the fighters up when they clinch instead of making them fight out of it. Outside fighters use the third man in the ring as a bodyguard to keep inside and medium distance fighters at range. So the referee is doubly wrong. He's wrong for allowing the behavior, and then wrong for becoming an accomplice. As long as outside fighters are allowed to clinch they don't have to learn how to fight on the inside and will always have an advantage against inside fighters who won't even be allowed to fight.
     
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  14. tinman

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    Good point. Outside fighters will initiate a clinch. Then the ref jumps right in to save him as soon as the clinched man is about to break free and bang him. They have their cake and eat it too.

    These guys have serious nerve to initiate clinches constantly and then complain that the clinched man is trying to wrestle free and hit them on the inside.

    I never thought that Wlad was close to a great fighter, maybe I'm in the minority on that, but oh well. He ruled an extremely weak division with constant clinches. All you had to do was take away his clinch and avoid the jab and grab. He was shockingly limited for a long reigning titlist. All he did was jab, hold and jab you to death. Then inevitably the massive straight right hand eventually comes down the pike and it's devastating. Fight over. But take that away and he's so lost. He wasn't very fast, bad chin, stiff, no inside fighting, not particularly technical. He had jab, grab and then inevitable massive right hand. And it was goodnight. It was just uninspiring.
     
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  15. Birmingham

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    Akinwande didn't want to fight, he was petrified. Ref done him a favour. With Ali and Wlad its tactics