A thread about Bonavena

I just looked up "Oscar Bonavena death" about an hr. ago and like 6 or 8 of the 10 on the 1st page said: "Killed at Mustang Ranch", or "Murdered at Mustang Ranch". I'm not saying I believe it, but I'd like 2 know how u explain that.

 

The Mustang Ranch was the name of the brothel he was killed at. It wasnt literally a horse ranch!

 

that's the way it sounds to me; I think salsanchezfan might just prefer 2 think of Bonavena as a fellow w/ plenty of dirt on him, idk maybe he does

 

yea. it is.

 

U mean the kind of common knowledge u have to hunt for?

 

No I mean the common knowledge a person has if he has lived through the incident, and remembers the events real time, that means you being a pup, would not have, correct ?

 

makes sense, although I'm still not sure what 2 believe

 

Don't think so.
He beat him ( or at least got the decision in a close ugly brawl) but as far as I know, no-one ever knocked Chuvalo down.
He was on his feet when he was stopped by Frazier, and upright when Foreman stopped him too.

Ringo CLAIMED one KD, but it wasn't ruled as such.

 

I agree that part of Oscar's personality was simply him being a big immature trouble maker and the language barrier made him seem worse than he was. I also agree that Ali could also do childish or petty things that people overlooked.

However, Oscar could be downright malicious as the article pointed out. I don't recall Ali humiliating his trainer to make the crowd laugh, ignoring his trainers advice, shop lifting, stealing from old ladies, damaging people's property in rampages, pursuing married women, or beating the crap out of sparring partners.

Ali was far from perfect and was guilty ot infidelity and going overboard with trash talking but he was no thief nor did he take advantage of older people. He tended to take it easy on his sparring partners (perhaps a little too easy as he'd allow them to wail on his body). I think it's a little disingenuous to compare Ali to Oscar in terms of overall character. Oscar may have been misunderstood to an extent, but if this article and the words of his own trainer and manager have any accuracy, it's quite clear he was a rude, erratic loose cannon and a bully at times.

 

These guys are right. Oscar was killed at a hohouse. OK?

 

I'd just like to say that I don't care much either way about Bonavena. I merely stated where he was killed. Don't see how stating that fact is particularly inflammatory. Hell, his demise makes for a good story.

 

I read about it later actually, having been 8 at the time it happened. Point taken though.

 

LOL. Ali could be extremely brutal to his sparring partners, routinely ignored his managers advice, had multiple affairs and was said to be abusive to his wives, in addition to constantly publicly railing against "fa___ots", "ni___ers" and lets not forget the hell he put some of his opponents through that his fans today think was a humorous example of gamesmanship and dont believe he was serious when it reality it was a window into his hateful personality that he truly meant. As for Bonavena I take with a grain of salt the story about him shoplifting and robbing old ladies. As for his "affair" that supposedly happened with the wife of a brothel owner who literally regularly had affairs with the more than 100 girls he pimped out and was very public about it. Something tells me the sanctity of that marriage had fallen by the wayside long before Bonavena came along.

 

I didn't mean that as an insult, I just thought that may have been your line of thinking. Being shot at a ranch or at a whorehouse-either one seems appropriate for the brawling Bonavena. I wasn't always esp. fond of him either, but he was in a helluva lot of good scraps.

 

There is no question about the type of place that the Mustang Ranch was. At the time and for years and years both before and after, it was the most prominent brothel in the entire USA. No other such establishment was even close. Whenever anyone referred to the "Mustang Ranch" either in print or in conversation, no further discussion about the activities that went on there was necessary.