Well said. The other thing to consider is whether he changed after the Rosario fight or merely got exposed. I think it's the latter, and so he's not anywhere near my top 100. In fact he'd probably struggle for a spot in my 200.
Camacho was a fragile *****. He just couldn't mentally or physically handle a big puncher who was able to threaten him. That's what the Rosario fight exposed. He altered his whole career just to avoid a rematch with Chapo - that alone disqualifies him from the top 100 IMO. In his biggest fights - Chavez, Tito, DeLaHoya - he went into a defensive shell after being hit hard and then spent the whole fights either retreating or tying up.
I think he was more a mental than physical *****. Actually took a punch quite well, but he lost all his will to fight as soon as he did. If Camacho was mentally tougher he could have found himself in the top 100, but even then he would have had his limitations (inability to fight effectively on the inside, didn't have the tightest defense).
I thought he definitely won the Rosairo and Mancini fight's but I had him losing to Duran. He's in my top 100.
Great post! Many seem to be upset that he was never stopped, something few fighters have ever achieved: Hagler, Marciano, Bowe, Robinson. The other problem is he lacks the big name on his resume but for me, his speed compensates for that. Chavez I believed ducked him in his prime because he always found a way to cross paths with his prior victims but never Hector himself. Pernell would have been anxious to face Hector but whether or not Duva would have allowed it was another thing. Not wanting to risk his fighter's career at this stage, it's doubtful. Once past his prime, Hector became as ineffectual as any other great: Hagler, Jones, Ali, Arguello, DLH. In his prime though is what made a huge impression on me. The man was nigh untouchable. I know a lot of people here arent going to agree with or like what I have to say but in a head to head match with Pernell, both men at their peak, Hector is going to come out on top. Pernell isnt fast enough for him.
One of those fighters that's either underrated or overrated really. His attitude and style enraged some, leading to him being underrated to one degree or another.
Good post Guy... Let's agree on the speed advantage to 'Macho....IMO, Pernell has the edge in power, and superior repertoire of combination's - especially to the body. I think Pernell would take it in a 'nip and tuck' bout. It's just speculation. Would loved to have seen it though...
Pernell was a true bad ass, Camacho was, as others have pointed out, a flashy runner. Pernell would do anything and everything and Camacho would go into survival mode.
In terms of real skills and variation of such, you could deem him as more flash than substance, but maybe that's harsh as he was very effective, but i always felt it was more down to the speed than anything else. But hey, whatever works for you.
Yes, probably, Camacho was a great boxer.... shows how good Chavez was tho, complete domination (had to say it )
Started off brilliantly with blinding handspeed and great skill providing him with lots of punching angles, but as others have said he changed his attitude and became little more than a runner after the Rosario bout. By the time he was up at 140lbs the Bolivian Marching Powder has taken its toll and he was more about clowning than fighting. He wouldn't be in my top 100.