A true Heavyweight Champion is born tonight...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by WiDDoW_MaKeR, Feb 23, 2008.


  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    :patsch It was not a jab, and his legs did not buckle. There is no need to make up things. Wlad went for a clinch, and Lamon moved... it caused Wlad to lunge foward a bit. Wlad went back to work directly afterwards and won the rest of the round. Even Merchant said that you can't give Brewster the round off of one punch, when he got dominated the rest of the round. What does that matter anyways?

    Also... who cares if Wlad fell apart a couple times earlier in his career? Those learning experiences are what made him the fighter that he is today. When we are judging a fighter in his prime, we don't judge him by the low points, and his learning experiences. We judge him by what he was able to do in his best years, how he learned from his mistakes and became a better fighter. Wlad has clearly become a better fighter, and a true Champion. He has also shown that he won't fold up when the going gets tough.
     
  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad took a big punch from Brewsta at the bell to end the fifth when he didn't know where he was going and landed on his face ( look at Punisher33 avatar) and Ref Robert Byrd counted and waved it off when he couldn't get to his own corner by himself... He still was dropped by TOS and won a techn. SD, dropped 3 times against Peter to get a shot, beat Chris, Brock and Brewsta coming from a 1 year layoff. He did not prove but he needs to prove he is a true champion. I'm telling you guys that I expect a demolition tonight but in case he gets dropped again by Sultan, please forget about bringing up those annoying subjects again and again - Wlad beats Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and prime Mike Tyson, bs like that...
     
  3. Gabriel R.

    Gabriel R. New Member Full Member

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    I think Klitschko is the No.1 and I believe he will remain that by defeating Ibragimov tonight. But even though this fight is a rare title unification, that win wouldn't make Klitschko a "true champion". It would cement his No.1 status and he would receive another belt. But to be a real champion he would have to go through a battle and come out victorious. This is the only thing that remains to be seen. Beside that, Klitschko has proven everything.
    What if things are not going as planned by him? What if he is close to lose a fight? Can he turn it around at that point? Those questions are relevant for an undisputed champion's status. I don't think that tonight's fight will give answers to those questions.

    If Ibragimov won, I wouldn't consider him the real deal. That win would be very impressive, but he still would have to prove something. You cannot become a champion by one impressive win. It would be a promise to be kept.
     
  4. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well at least you took the time to watch the fight, but I would ask you again to put the 3rd on slow pause like I did, Wlads legs definitely buckled, leading Jones to make fun of him about it, and claim he wouldnt get in the ring with me, and later after the fight was over said Wlad should retire and his chin is too weak to ever become champ again. I understand Jones was wrong in a sense, but he did see a weakness in Wlad, thats still there today, just not tested nearly enough by his weak competition.
     
  5. Shamrock

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    Well done! Totally agree Widow :thumbsup
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wlad didn't take a big punch at the bell to end the fifth. Brewster swept his arm arcoss the back of the Wlad's head after the bell, and Wlad tripped over the ref's feet. Watch the fight.:good Besides, Wlad was already finished before Brewster touched him in the 5th... he was exhausted and had nothing left. He would have been TKO'd against the heavybag at that point.

    Does any of that matter? Wlad lost that fight as he caved in on himself for whatever reason... and he has clearly shown within their two fights to be the better boxer. End of story.
     
  7. Farmboxer

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    Vlad was beating Brewster in the first fight, even though he had been drugged! In the rematch is was a mismatch as it should have been in the first place. Brewster was never in Vlad's class. MRI showed no concussion, only high sugar caused by unknown substance. Brewster was down in that fight even though Vlad was drugged, but Uncle Byrd gave him extra time to recover.
     
  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    C'mon Farmy... one for old times sake.

    KlitschkoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo!!!
     
  9. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post, and I fully agree.

    Much like Hagis the witch on the movie Pumpkinhead said when she released the demon.............Tonight, IT STARTS!

    With this fight, the division is about to get struck by a life-giving,resurrecting, bolt of lighting.
     
  10. Drexl

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    Like you say, I think most boxing fans already realize that he is the best all-round HW right now.

    To be honest, I don't really see this fight changing much other than getting him another strap. Sultan isn't as good as some of the fighters Wlad has already beaten. He just happens to have picked up a belt.

    For Wlad to get worldwide recognition he really needs to become undisputed champ. Not in our opinions but in reality. If he were to win all of the big-3 titles then there wouldn't be all the question marks over his head in the eyes of the general public. That would be great for Wlad and fantastic for the sport of boxing.

    And I think we agree he would beat both Chagaev and whoever is holding the WBC. I'd be pissed off if he takes some meaningless fight after this unification. In fact I'd much rather he had fought one of those other guys first and ignored the WBO, but I guess he has a history with that org.

    This is as a good match up for him either way. Sultan is not great, but he's as good as you'll find at the moment I guess.
     
  11. Heavyrighthand

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    I think we would ALL rather see him fight another titleholder after this fight, but you take what you can get.

    As bad as Klit may want to get another titleholder in the ring, next, you can't blame him if the others won't agree to fight him.

    He has already been in contact about fighting Chag, but regardless of if he tries like hell, or not to make further unifiying fights, its takes two to tango.

    And I agree, it would have been the best possible scenario to see him fight Chag, now, but Ibrag is also an undefeated titleholder, so one is about as good as another............ As long as two titleholders are fighting each other, that is ALL that matters, for now.

    At this point, after so long with four seperate titles........to complain about which titleholders are fighting each other is like a starving man who is almost dead from starvation, suddenly getting a meal, and complaining that its not exactly what he wanted to eat.
     
  12. RUSKULL

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    :rofl

    :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy
     
  13. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, Wlad is the true, consensus udisputed/undisputable Champ if he wins tonight. **** Chag, he isnt interested; Skelton? Puh-lease. He's worset han Valuev. These two tonight are the only Champions.
     
  14. Mindspring

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    We'll have to see how he does against MASKAEV. That is going to be a huge fight for Pete.
    I'd love him to fight Valuev, or maybe Chagaev. and of course, maybe Vitali..
     
  15. Heavyrighthand

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    And he ruined his iron chinned destroyer aura, in the process.

    But I agree, taking the McCine fight was a ballsy move.