A victory for the American style of Boxing?

Aware of much of the history of boxing from 1900-1993?

No Russian or any other fighters from the countries of the former soviet union could fight in the paid ranks.
Boxing was an American based and dominated circus show without any serious competition from other parts of the world( except for Mexico and the American colonies like Puerto Rico,etc).
The USA used to be the country where all the big money was and where tv channels used to pay big sums of money to be able to broadcast pro boxing.
Nowadays quite a lot of the big shows are staged in Germany,a country which can hardly offer any outstanding domestic fighters but which has imported quite a lot of fighters from the countries of the former soviet union.

Very easy to be the big fish in a very small and protected pond.Pro boxing has moved to a big lake where the fish is bigger and hungrier.Still,there is no ocean in the world of pro boxing.
Lack of opportunities,lack of tv support,lack of money prevents countless talents in Russia,Cuba,Belarus,Ukraine,and so on to turn pro whereas limited American fighters like Lacy could turn pro.
You know that he got his ass kicked in his last amateur fight,dont you! His American fans who had no clue about the reality of life outside their limited world thought he would be the next big thing.
A fighter like Gaidarbekov has never had the chance to turn pro.Lacy could not hold a candle to him,but he had an American passport which makes all the difference at times.
The world is changing! Pro boxing is getting more and more international by the day.New players like Germany have entered the stage.Big money can now be earned outside the states.Pro boxing has matured.Pro boxing used to be an American show.
Those times are over!:hi:

 

As I said it is a waste of time to dicuss boxing with a clueless poster like you!atsch

 

Are you kidding? You must be talking about recent amateur bouts. That crap is fencing not boxing.

I believe the Russians can turn pro now? Cubans? You have a point.

Point is that a slick American boxer beats a "step-step-1-2" boxer all day. The Klits are just superiorly conditioned and have unbelievable physical proportions with a pinch (sarcastic) of boxing mastery.

 

Being Euro-Trash I fully agree with this.

 

What the hell? Who "protected" the pond? Don't present this as though it is some grand conspiracy of Americans to dominate boxing when it was these country's own bone-headed politics that kept them from boxing. Russia and Cuba could have just as easily started a "State Sponsored" professional boxing program the same way China manages Yao Ming. They didn't and that is their own ignorant problem.

Then you site lack of money? That is crap. It is lack of business vision on the part of the populace. Boxing is a sport with a "hard luck" story being the rule and not the exception. It is the American entrepreneurial spirit that pairs men with business vision with those with boxing talent. So you got poor Russians and former Soviet block nations. Okay, your point? Tell some of those oil and mineral barons to get their heads out of their butts!

Man I am American and I thought Lacy was a clown. I talk about my boy to this day for thinking he had skills. That guy up in Canada was giving him fits.

Germany and Europe have always been on the stage. They were excluded because they were known to either A) Cheat fighters out of decisions (Frock/Dirrell), or B) Let cherry picked out classed visitors be beaten to a pulp, or C) Allow dirty tactics that let their guy win (Kosta/Hatton). Nobody wants to risk money in a rigged market! Still the big fights take place in Vegas.

If you are pulling for European, Communist, or Ex-Communist boxing programs great. No need to act like there was some grand conspiracy on America's part to exclude these groups. They did the damage to themselves. :deal :nono

 

I disagree with you on both points.
Nowadays you can watch pro boxing shows in Russia,Germany,Romania,The Arab Emirates as well as in countries as far away from the big markets like China.
Pro boxing isnt an all american show anymore.

Ali would have struggled with Lyakhovich as well as with Povetkin,but he would have beaten them

 

Neither the Cubans nor the Russian can easily turn pro,bald head!
The Cubans have to flee their native soil and leave behind their loved ones in order to fight as a pro in a foreign country.
Most Russian fighters cant turn pro due to lack of money,opportunities,and tv support.
Pro boxing is a joke in Russia.There are better fighters there than Korobov,but they dont have any family ties with the USA,dont speak English nor German,and are hardly marketable in the western markets.

 

Erdei has a non-standup Euro style as well, trained by the great Fritz Sdunek no less.

 

It shows that if you aint gonna move your head then you better have an impenetrable defence !

Everything else being equal then the guy with better side to side movement will win , but the same could be said of any other attribute. All other things being equal the guy with more power wins or speed or chin etc etc etc

 

the reason calzaghe was so uneuropean like was because he didnt really learn in the gym,his music playing father taught him who didnt know much about boxing.
the only reason calzaghe was so good was because he was a born boxer who was naturally talented and thats why he could change his style of fighting instantly while in a fight to suit who he was fighting against.
not a boxer who went to the gym and got stereotyped boxing drummed into his head,like kessler for instance,he couldnt change the way he fights at all.
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It was a victory for the faster man with the better gameplan execution. Kessler obviously relied a lot on physical skills, and with his speed appearing to have gone, his lack of the mastery of elusive boxing shows. However, the skills of using setups, moving, and intercepting, IS superior to the style of using athletics only.

 

You misunderstood me and missed my point!
Of course there was no American conspiracy.
No,mate,I just hate these countless clueless posters who keep telling us that the American fighters of gone ages would beat the living **** out of today's poor and talentless bums.
The pro market in the USA was a closed one.Americans,Americans,Americans,some Mexcians,and a handful western europeans-there was no competition from Cuba or the countries of the former soviet union.

As for lack of business vision I agree with you up to a certain degree.However,you have to take into account that money is the name of this pro game.
You may be a top fighter in the paid ranks,but that doesnt necessarily mean that you are the best fighter in your weight division on our little planet.
I dare to say that -at present-the best p4p fighter still fights at the amateurs.Lomachenko still hasnt turned pro.
Admittingly,Pacman's fans dont share my opinion.Perhaps rightfully so! Who knows!
As for Germany there was no powerful pro circus there before the wall came down and some of the top eastern fighters turned pro with western promoters.
Since then Germany has become a very big shark in the lake.We still dont have an ocean in the world of pro boxing.Lots of top amateurs dont turn pro because of a myriad of reasons( no pro market in their home country,no job opportunities in the paid ranks,backward and primitive countries like the African ones have excellent fighters but no promoters,tv support,and so on ,and so on).

Pro boxing is a rich man's game.The USA,Germany,the UK,and Japan are rich countries.
Pro boxing isnt a game in which all the best fighters of our globe participate.It is still a very closed show......unlike amateur boxing which,so to speak,is more democratic in certain ways.
Having said this I want to point out that I am a great fan of the pro game,but I am quite aware of its strenghts and weaknesses,its deficient structure.