A video for those who say Hopkins didn't have real stamina issues by 2005...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Jul 17, 2011.


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  1. horst

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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B3kLNrF2tg&feature=player_embedded#at=174


    Hopkins in 1997 at the age of 32 fighting like an absolute threshing machine, beating down Glen Johnson for the only stoppage defeat of Johnson's long multi-weight career.

    How people can't see the extreme decline in stamina from this to how he has fought from 2005 onwards is utterly mind-boggling to me.

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  2. Clayton Bigsby

    Clayton Bigsby Active Member Full Member

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    When he hit the 40 mark, it [the stamina] became the main problem and the only reason why others caught up with him and ran his fights close. It makes me laugh when a certain group of followers claim Hopkins was in his physical prime at 43.
     
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  3. SomeGuy101

    SomeGuy101 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At 36/37 Calzaghe was throwing more punches than Hopkins at 32.

    So what's your point?
     
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  4. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    What confuses me is how he had no stamina vs shot roy jones after 4 rounds but vs pascal he could go 10 more rounds it seems and he was doing push ups between rounds.
    I thought pascal would beat him after I saw bhop vs jones 2.
     
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  5. horst

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    Er, my point is that Hopkins had much better stamina and workrate at 32 than he had at over the age of 40, as shown in the video I posted. What exactly was your point supposed to be? :huh
     
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  6. Clayton Bigsby

    Clayton Bigsby Active Member Full Member

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    Styles make fights.

    I don't remember B-Hop having any stamina issues against Roy. He looked **** because Roy's style didn't offer him any chances to fight the way he would have liked. As shot as Roy was, he was still savvy enough to not allow Hopkins any counter punching opportunities, etc.

    Pascal, on the other hand, has awful stamina and he was always going to make Hopkins look 21 years old. That's why Hopkins jumped at the chance to fight him. His [Pascal] glaring weaknesses were there for everybody to see.
     
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  7. Drinker

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    Hopkins had much better stamina and workrate against Pavlik and Pascal aged 43/46.

    Calzaghe's relentless pressure and workrate caused Hopkins to gas in their fight.
     
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  8. horst

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    Hopkins obviously didn't have anywhere near as good stamina/workrate vs Pavlik and Pascal as he did vs Glen Johnson in 1997.

    Did you even watch the video?
     
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  9. SomeGuy101

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    That an older Calzaghe still has more stamina than a younger Hopkins.
     
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  10. horst

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    That's speculative to the point of unproven to the point of silly. Watch the video, Hopkins is in with a tough opponent who made a career out of his relentlessness, and is still threshing in the 11th round.

    Anyway, Hopkins wouldn't need to match Calzaghe for stamina. Hopkins made an extremely close fight with Calzaghe 3 years after he didn't have the stamina to convincingly outpoint the inferior Jermain Taylor. Hopkins of 1997 had far better stamina levels than Hopkins of 2008, far better. This would've been more than enough to bridge the gap and turn that fight on its head.
     
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  11. SomeGuy101

    SomeGuy101 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what your saying is that between 1997 and 2008 Hopkins learnt nothing in the ring and improved in no way shape of form that would benefit and make him a more complete fighter.

    I see. Very logical indeed. By the same logic we can safely say then Khan has fast hands and a good workrate so has not improved at all since he turned pro or working under roach.
     
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  12. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    Hopkins' stamina isn't what it once was, he can't fight for the whole 3 minutes of every round anymore. However, what he does maybe better than any fighter around right now is that he tends to set the pace against his opponent because he is wily enough to understand how to turn his opponent's offense against them early and then slow the pace by countering effectively. That is the key to why he is as successful as he is at 46. Hopkin's losses since his 1993 loss to Jones JR have all come against people who were able to dictate a fast pace. As much as I like Calzaghe, neither he nor Taylor beat a younger Hopkins.
     
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  13. horst

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    :lol: I said nothing of the sort.

    Hopkins was at his physical peak in 1997, and has been at his boxing peak from 2001-onwards, because it was 2000/2001 that B-Hop first displayed the high-level defensive qualities we now associate with him. No, Bernard has not noticeably improved since 2001, the video evidence clearly shows this. If anything, his footwork is worse now. By 2001, Bernard was 36, had been a world champion for 6 years, and was a unified champion. Had Calzaghe fought this version that best united his physical gifts and his boxing skills, he would've lost comprehensively to a vastly superior technician.
     
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  14. SomeGuy101

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    Who would have lacked 11 years of experience. Who would have not fought Tito, would have not fought DLH, would have missed out on 25 more fights would have Johnson as his only notable win and a loss to Jones.

    So remind me again how this 'version' of Hopkins was so great?
     
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  15. horst

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    Are you not reading what I'm saying?

    I'm saying that the version of Hopkins which best unified his physical gifts with the boxing skills he developed was the guy who fought Trinidad in 2001.

    That version of Hopkins would've comprehensively beaten Calzaghe.

    I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

    Not that this is what the thread was about anyway, the thread was about providing video evidence of how excellent B-Hop's stamina was in 1997, as compared to how it was by 2005 when he fought Jermain Taylor.
     
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