Aaron Pryor vs. Roberto Duran @Welterweight, 1980

Scare quotes and caps are no match for the fact that Lewis was caught on tape asking for the bottle he mixed which is illegal. There's your proof right there and here's Manny Steward talking about when he trained Pryor for the second fight with Arguello.

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"He was afraid going into the rematch with Arguello because Panama Lewis had been arrested and put in jail at the time, and he was the guy who trained him for the first fight, and even though he never admitted it in so many words, he told me that they were basically getting by with some kind of things that were not legal."

And a convicted criminal like Lewis giving some illegal to a drug addict. Who woulda thought, huh?

Believe it or not Pryor can be a better fighter than Arguello at that time and at that weight and still cheat - which he did.

 

Prove it.
Links to old stories prove nothing, other than you
buying into stories that you happen to agree with.
Where is the proof from ONE individual in that corner
that night, from all the hanger-on's and hype men that said
their was something illegal in that drink . I'd even take
that as proof, coming from someone actually there.
Over 40 yrs later, no one has come clean .
Hell more stories and proof have come out from the misdeeds of
the CIA and FBI from that era ,than from the
Pryor vs Arguello fight other than the rehashed
stuff all ready out ?
Come on man. And the scientific fact nothing
taken orally would've worked in the time span
between when Pryor ingested whatever it was,
and the end of the fight.
Also , Panama Lewis became a convicted felon
from the Collins /Resto fight ,which was after
Pryor vs Arguello, their was ample proof of what
he did against Collins , he got convicted, rightfully so.
And if being a convicted felon is something that automatically
makes all cornermen suspect of misdeeds, well most
of the cornermen in history should be suspected. Including
the fact of Lewis also worked the Corner of Duran for a few
of his fights. "Hands of Stone"? Plaster of Paris? I mean
if were just going off of Panama Lewis being shady and a convicted felon
working a corner . It can be reasonably insinuated.
Personally, I've heard all the stories. I'm also a bigger
fan of Arguello, than Pryor, and have him ranked
much higher on the ATG list than him.
But I give credit where it's due, Pryor fought
his heart out that night, and proved he belonged
and was the better man at that weight, he also
should be credited with giving Arguello a 2nd
fight regardless of your opinion of him being "afraid"
without Lewis in his corner. Which makes no sense .
I have no issue giving Pryor the benefit of doubt.
And just go on the fact of those two men put on
a display of boxing beauty and brutality rarely
seen, and is in my opinion the best fight
in history .

 

You misunderstood me. Duran, Leonard, Hearns none of them ducked Pryor. My wording was probably wrong. My point is Pryor has more imaginary legendary fights against all time greats (if only they didn’t duck him) than actually what was. A 140 pounder who has this mythical legendary status that when you closely look at his record is hardly worthy of HOF status. He may well of been exiting but does anyone on this board really think Duran, Leonard, Benitez or Hearns really ducked him. I’m not going into who would have won (even though my personal feeling is he gets hammered by all of the). But come on. Ducked my ass.

 

Wow, that was a tough read. Would a paragraph kill you now and then?


"Where is the proof from ONE individual in that corner
that night, from all the hanger-on's and hype men that said
their was something illegal in that drink ."

How many people would even know what happened and would you expect anyone in the know to confess? Why would you assume these hangers on be privy to this info? And was there even an investigation to begin with? You do realize this is professional boxer you're talking about which is about as bush league as it gets. And Louis Resto has said Lewis used crushed asthma pills. As an asthmatic I know inhalants work almost immediately pills work also and maybe what Lewis thought would work didn't even work, doesn't mean it was legal.


"Links to old stories prove nothing, other than you
buying into stories that you happen to agree with."

The fact that Manny Steward said that Pryor basically admitted to doing illegal things in the first fight means nothing because he said it years ago when the event would have actually occurred? Ok. And I guess you're saying that Steward either lied or was mistaken. And the story I 'buy into' was that Lewis had an illegal mixture because he was caught on tape (twice, I believe). Unless you want to tell me the tape was dubbed

"Pryor fought
his heart out that night, and proved he belonged
and was the better man at that weight,"

Again, he could have been the better man at that weight and still have cheated.

"he also
should be credited with giving Arguello a 2nd
fight regardless of your opinion of him being "afraid"
without Lewis in his corner. Which makes no sense ."


That was Manny Steward who said he was afraid or apprehensive and it makes prefect sense that if you cheated the first time around you would be a little concerned if you weren't cheating the second time around. You think Lance Armstrong would be confident of doing the same things without drugs as with them?

The bottom line is this - I'd have to find the rules to be 100% correct but if it's true that a mixture of any kind is illegal then what Lewis did was illegal, regardless of whether it would have worked or not.

 

My bad. Sorry about that.

 

Obviously something that goes against your opinion triggers you to,
so that door swings both ways.
Still waiting on facts of something illegal in that drink, and how it worked
in the relative short time between being taken orally and the end of that
fight. Which was roughly 3 minutes.
Your comment of "Would a paragraph kill you now and then". Is this a English literature course?
Or is that a sign of your arrogance?

 

"Still waiting on facts of something illegal in that drink, and how it worked
in the relative short time between being taken orally and the end of that
fight. Which was roughly 3 minutes."

The question is, is any mixture illegal? If so, then Lewis is busted. And I would take the word of Manny Steward over the guy who destroyed Billy Collins' career and ultimately his life and Aaron Pryor (what he said publicly) any day of the week.

 

One hell of a war over the distance. In the end, Duran's superior defense edges it by narrow decision.

 

Only water is allowed. You don’t mix water. That’s stupid. So if he mixed something, it’s illegal.

 

Not gonna lie, I thought the title said Richard Pryor vs Roberto Duran.

 

The guy whose defense was so sloppy that he got knocked down by Akio Kameda, Dujuan Johnson, and an elderly Antonio Cervantes is not going to last against Duran at a weight class he never fought at.

 

Aaron was an incredible force of nature but Duran was even better ... the question is when would the match up take place as Aaron thrived as Duran already lost a step ... best for best I like Duran ... so in 1980 when Duran fought Leonard in Montreal he would have been too much and likely beat Aaron up a bit along the way to victory ...