Trust me, that is not at all what this is, and that will never be the case with me, regardless of what some of the general forum members says. These guys gave Kostya opportunities to connect, but they also let themselves open to be hit. What they also did was to lower Kostya's spacing and timing opportunities, which were his main weapon and main technique, as they basically doubled his already impressive power. Pryor was an all-together different animal than Vince Phillips, and a much more effective, difficult style matchup than Phillips, who had nothing but a warrior's heart and determination in there with his natural talents. Pryor brought much more aggression, much more fiery will to attack, and much more speed, accuracy, and finishing ability. The ATG swarmers and pressure fighters should mostly always be favored over Tszyu in this regard in my opinion, due to their abilities to greaten his only weaknesses, his inability to time and analyze space when constantly given angles and return fire, which Pryor was most effective at. Look at it from a stylistic standpoint. Chavez was fantastic, but his style was more straight forward than Pryor's, who'd effect Chavez's ability to get set with his speed, aggression, output, stamina, and power. It would possibly be like the Meldrick Taylor fight without the finish, as Pryor was extremely durable. One thing that could work in Chavez's favor is his body punching ability, an area that Arguello was able to effectively exploit in their series. Over 12 rounds, definitely Pryor. Over 15, it gets more interesting.
You almost make it sound as if Pryor would be trying to box Chavez Pea-like. IMO, this would end up being a give-and-take affair with two tough-minded individuals trying to impose their will on each other. Funny that you compare this fight to Talyor/JCC, which would only play into Chavez's hands since Pryor would not be able to match Taylor's speed thereby allowing JCC a greater output. Which again leads me back to Arguello, if he was able to hurt Pryor at 140, the possibilities of Chavez putting a hurting on him is not out of the question!
Arguello was a harder puncher than Chavez dip**** and still couldn't get the job done. Arugello had one punch power through 4 different weight classes. Chavez was a good puncher at 140 but he was not a one punch puncher and even though Pryor can't match Taylor's speed, he overmatches him with power. Pryor would be the best combination of power and speed, Chavez would fight at 140 pounds and frankly I don't see him winning.
Yes, but Pryor's style, speed, and power would offset Chavez's more straight-forward, up and down, technical methods, whereas Pryor was more than used to seeing that with guys like Arguello and Cervantes. Why would it allow JCC a greater punch output? His output wasn't the thing that gave Chavez a lower output, it was the distraction they caused. Faced with a fighter that gives you not only more power, but more angles, Chavez would have just as much a problem, if not more, firing back, especially considering Pryor pressed more than Taylor. It isn't, but he was not so much hurt as distracted against Arguello, as if it threw him off his game. He could give Pryor a tougher time, but only if he's able to eat the combinations upstairs Pryor was giving off when Chavez was dedicating his time to the body.
This is the reason I try not to post more than a couple of lines to my arguments these things have a tendency to go on forever. You point to Pryor's wins over Arguello and Cervantes as possible proof of why he would beat Chavez. Arguello-already past his prime and had no business at 140. Cervantes-was in even worst shape. As I stated in my previous post, there's no way any of that convinces me that Pryor takes CHavez.
You took those statements out of context. I was merely pointing to the fact that Chavez had trouble with fighters who bring similar stylistic problems as Pryor did, whearas Pryor had seen fighters of Chavez's method, just not on the same level. No way did Chavez have anywhere near as good a win as Pryor either, and in fact had trouble(though mostly early on or pre-peak at 130) with most of those who brought the fight to him with firepower, as guys like LaPorte and Lockridge did so effectively(Lockridge arguably winning). And as you seem to like to state it so much, I'll think I'll put it to the test. Who did Chavez ever beat that convinced you he could beat Pryor?
I must admit, Chavez loses to Pryor. Pryor was the right combination of speed, skills, tenacity, strength and stamina to earn Chavez' respect and outbox him at the same time. Chavez had trouble with fighters that made him move backwards and was also troubled by skilled boxers.
Whitaker was a "stylistic problem" for Chavez, Pryor would NOT be. You think Pryor was going to simply out-box JCC. :nono There is not one single guy on JCC's resume that convinces me JCC takes this one, but I have already posted some of the reasons I believe JCC wins. When it comes down to it, I'm picking the more proven guy at 140!
You're simply re-stating your original position, without saying why or refuting any of my counter-arguments. Interesting, neither do I, but hey, funny how that happens. I didn't know this was a self struggle. Anyways, as I once again allude to, I'd like for you to name me one JCC opponent that makes you think he's capable of beating Pryor? You asked me the same of Chavez, I ask you the same of JCC. Pryor holds wins over Arguello X2 and Cervantes, both past their best, but dominant wins nonetheless, and very proving wins. Chavez at 140 holds wins over more quantity fighters, but no higher quality aside from Taylor at the time, which would've been similar style-wise to Pryor. What I want is an analysis on how Chavez wins, rather than stating simply that he was more proven, which he really wasn't.
An analysis:huh You mean like when you stated that Pryor wins this because he's a "stylisty problem" for Chavez! ANd talk about taking things out of context you actually split one of my sentences in two !atsch And why are you being so anal about this, I already answered your question about what one victory in Chavez's resume convinces me that he beats Pryor:think Also, what convinced you that you are making solid counter-arguments. You're simply stating you're opinions which as far as I'm concerned hold no more weight than mine. Accept that and move on:good
No, more like the one I've said over and over about his speed, relentlessness, output, and power giving him problems similar to Taylor's handspeed, and making it difficult for him to get set. The only thing you've given is that if Arguello could hurt him(which I explained that he didn't) with body shots, why couldn't Chavez? If I answered both points than why does it matter? Which was? Again you refuse to state it. I am making points as to why I have come to my conclusions, you're just giving your conclusion, which is much easier, especially in a detailed debate. That's the difference.
No, the answer was in the very same sentence you split in half. You didn't read what you wanted to so it simply went over your headatsch It's the main reason I try to limit my responses to simple sentences..I'm officially done with you on this topic:hi:
True, so why do you continuously tell me that Pryor never convinced you enough to beat Chavez when neither did Chavez? I've asked you to provide an analysis, and again, the only thing you've mentioned is that if Arguello could bother him to the body, then why couldn't Chavez.
