~~~ABCDEs - Ranking puzzle...~~~

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Sep 25, 2007.


  1. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    after reading the first line, i just got completely confused and it gave me a headache. I am sure the committie will make fine pound for pound rankings. As long as they get a even pool of different perspectives, it should be a good system. Woulndt be surprsied if the list looked like the ring rankings honestly.
     
  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    C was just unmotivated for B and D. He raised his game as needed against A.
     
  3. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Lack of motivation, doesn't come into consideration, when giving rankings. This isn't at Jungs office...:lol:
     
  4. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    :thumbsup
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I will pm what I consider the right answer, including the reasoning behind to whoever wants it...please pm me...:good
     
  6. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I failed algebra.........LOL!
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah, well, as long as you haven't failed logic, you should be fine!:D
     
  8. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Because many haven't had a crack at it yet and some who have might want to reconsider their answer first.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I think these are important questions...thank you to those who have already replied!:D
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I have added a poll, to allow us to keep track of things!:good
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Thank you, Brickhaus and tobkhan!:good
     
  13. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry Decebal, but you haven't given me enough information. I am a stickler for details and one small thing makes this impossible for me to rank and tosses a ton of other variables into the mix.

    You said COULD BEAT not DID BEAT in all of those scenarios. While I am going to take skill level into account, I will also take resume into account. Usually 50/50 and I go by actual results unless there is a blatant blatant robbery.

    I cannot place any value on what COULD happen in those scenarios because some of those fighters may be better than the ones they would lose to but are bad style matchups, etc and have better resumes, etc. Sure I can quantify skill within reason, but that won't tell me who will win.

    As to your second question, current form should be taken into account, but you must have reliable information on their current skill level. Therefore recent wins must also be taken into account as looking good against second rate fighters is not an accurate representation. And it's not about names, but about how good that fighter actually is and the circumstances of the fight. As in, I don't have Hopkins on my P4P list because he dropped off after retiring, and beating Wright at 170 isn't going to get him back on. And he didn't look good doing it, neither did.
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am not sure what the confusion is here! Assume that could beat=did beat, if you think you could answer it then!
     
  15. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    Proof of (i) . The equality ck = c1+(k-1)a just proven with k = m+1 implies cm+1 = c1+(m+1-1)a = c1+ma.

    We will prove
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a
    by induction on k ³ 1.

    If k = 1 then Sm = åj = 1m cj = c1 and
    kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a = 1c1+ 1 2 1(0)a = c1
    Therefore the assertion is true for k = 1.

    Now we want to show if the assertion
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a
    is true for k = m ³ 1 then it must be true when k = m+1. To this end, suppose
    m
    å
    j = 1 cj = mc1+ 1 2 m(m-1)a
    This and the equality
    m+1
    å
    j = 1 cj = cm+1+ m
    å
    j = 1 cj
    imply
    m+1
    å
    j = 1 cj

    =

    cm+1+ é
    ê
    ë mc1+ 1 2 m(m-1)a ù
    ú
    û

    =

    [c1+ma]+ é
    ê
    ë mc1+ 1 2
    m(m-1)a ù
    ú
    û

    =

    c1+mc1+ 1 2 m(m-1)a+ma

    =

    (1+m)c1+[ 1 2 m(m-1)+m]a

    =

    (1+m)c1+ 1 2 [m(m-1)+2m]a

    =

    (m+1)c1+ 1 2 [m(m-1+2)]a

    =

    (m+1)c1+ 1 2 [m(m+1)]a

    =

    (m+1)c1+ 1 2 [m(m+1)]a
    This says that
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a
    when k = m+1. The principle of mathematical induction now applies. It gives the desired conclusion.

    Proof of (ii) . We wish to show
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = 1 2 k(c1+ck)
    Observe
    1 2 k(c1+ck) = 1 2 k(c1+[c1+(k-1)a]) = kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a
    Therefore the assertion
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = 1 2 k(c1+ck)
    follows from
    k
    å
    j = 1 cj = kc1+ 1 2 k(k-1)a

    really its as simple as that.