Abel ‘joe is not ready for ortiz’

Im pretty sure we did a side by side comparison ,most people would heed what im saying since they know it usually comes come true right ? Im pretty sure of that,compared to your lame brain posts half the time on here . lol

Please enlighten me what I misread? You stated its not plausible that Joyce wins over Ortiz who is much bigger, younger, stronger, and durable but expect a plausible win over Joshua with such a mismatch with a 300 pounder with non power punching ? AND you made an entire theory about it ? lmao


move alone kid........ your a bore now !

 

Joyce isn't more skillful, he win though,...He could become more skilled but Ortiz has that. Joyce is very underatted however and those picking Ortiz against him will get it wrong.

Joyce will stop him late.

 

You're brainwashed. Please, stop it. I am not willing to discuss boxing with somebody who has clearly no idea what he's talking about. Joyce is a good prospect but he has so many flaws and if he don't focus on his defense he gets KTFO like he was in the amateurs within a couple of months. He fought Bums and didn't even look good most of the time. Hanks caught him flush, if Ortiz catches him with a flush left Joyce is going to sleep like he was going to sleep in the amateurs.

Joyce hasn't made any improvement yet. His defense is awful. He can crash some cans but he won't crack the Top 10 opposition with such a awful defense. If you say so YDKSAB. And don't talk about Miller vs Joshua, we're talking about Joyce vs. Ortiz clown.

 

I predicted Fury would get knocked down twice and still win on one of my last prediction details, yea sure im clueless ,always wrong and I cant pick a winner ever ?

Go ahead debate with me you're going to look stupid because I read your posts and they're comical 90% of the time where im pretty sure you're trolling but one cant tell how stupid someone actually is on here sometimes ?

First of Joyce isn't a prospect hes a ranked top 10 guy, if you knew whats going on you would know that so just on that you have no business discussing Joyce with me. but i'll go on just to shut you up.......

It doesn't matter what he is labled ,he is 6'6 270 pounds and doesn't gass out EVER,he hit hard and should be Olympic gold medalist,you Don't know the importance of that so let me educate you ,you nitwit.....

Patterson, Ali , Foreman, Frazier Lewis ,Holyfield ( robbed ) Klitschko , Joshua , USYK ( will be at HW ) were/are all dominant HW champions of their eras . History suggests a gold medalist will be the best 90% of the time . Joyce won gold everyone knows that. He's a TOP guy wheather you like it or not.

If we looked at the match up you have a 6'3 southpaw who is more skilled at 240 at age 49 ( don't tell me he isn't ) ive already found leaks in these idiots interviews besides what was put out by other credible people.

Ortiz advantage over Joyce : Faster /Pro experience, Defense

Joyce advantage : Younger ,bigger, Power , Stamina , Punch volume/offensive tactics

Joyce has Ortiz by 3 inches and 30 pounds.

What would X out Ortiz strength? Stamina. This is end game ,Ortiz will not slow Joyce down enough ,he will wear out by mid rounds and Joyce will get him . We have both on the same wilder card and we can see whats what .

Ortiz best win is Jennings coming off a loss 4 years ago.

Joyce best win is still Hrgovic before he went pro and to the Olympics.

Joyce recent fights aren't even close and they are still around the same caliber of Ortiz ( again LOOK at their last fights....SMH!

So go ahead tell me how Joyce stands no chance vs Ortiz with what I just posted even ( didn't get into the actual breakdown bc I know its a waste of time right now ) while selling me Miller over AJ, i'll wait........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

Not sure why Abel is being so cautious, Joyce has faced better than Ortiz in WSB. I personally think he wipes the flaw with a very overrated Ortiz.

 

When someone gets a new trainer they usually train and try different things first. Its smart, I remember a few guys switching to new Trainers going into big fights with limited fights with them. the best one was Patterson training Ruddock for Lewis, it didn't turn out so good....lol

 

First I stopped reading where you made the claim Joyce is a Top 10 HW yet. I thought you were trolling but obviously you just DKSAB. That's funny. Joyce hasn't fought anyone of notice. He isn't Top 10 yet. Even if he beats Stiverne via KO1 he isn't Top 10.

And i am wondering that you are mentioning the Amateur stuff. Joyce was brutally KOd twice in the amateurs and beaten to **** by Usyk and Babanin in the WBS. Obviously not a good way to support your arguments but you don't even recognize that, lmao.

Joyce has exactly two major advantages: He's a bit younger and he's crafty & tall. That's it. The height isn't saying anything as we saw Ortiz outboxing Wilder for 10 rounds who is even taller than Joyce.

Joyce's coming forward style while having no defense is tailor made for a guy like Ortiz who's boxing very well on the backfoot and also having world class counter punching skills. In terms of power both are equal, you claiming Joyce has more power than Ortiz is just sick.

Bringing Hrvogic as the best win of Joyce is just .......showing that you are completly out of your mind.

Joyce was beaten to **** by Usyk and Babanin in the WBS ffs. Come on, grow up. I don't mention that, but you mention a win over Hrgovic? Tony Yoka beat them all, LMAO and he is a bum which will get exposed soon in the pro game.

I am not even saying Joyce is crap, i rate him as one of the best prospects but you're clearly having no idea about him and just looking some stats and records. You should actually watch his fights. He's looking like **** defensively and he will get KTFO soon if he steps up his level of opposition which is questionable anytime soon.

I can't discuss with a lunatic like you. I will put you on my ignore list. You are mad and crazy, you should ask for serious help. Discussing with guys like Aydamn makes fun but you're obviously crazy in your head. Goodbye. Please look for help. I am seriously concerned about your mental health.

 

Joyce is ranked 5th in the WBA so no you have no clue about what's going on..after his next fight probably gets in top 10 on other rankings? Who cares it has nothing to do with Joyce being able to defeat Ortiz who himself as stated his best win is Jennings coming off a loss 4 years ago,basically you're an idiot who just talks in circles and cant address the match up.

Everything you posted is nonsensical .lol

Hrgovic is very important as it shows the threat joyce brings,what am fight can we base Ortiz off of? That's right he has none to speak about.

Usyk was an Olympic champ[ion when he fought Joyce? you mental midget!

Usyk is also another Olympic champion who would out point Ortiz and get a 12 round UD win so again mental midget what does that have to do with Joyce vs Ortiz ?

 

Sanchez beautifully exposes what an utter piece of garbage Hearn is. Sanchez won't put his silver medal winning fighter in with an Ortiz that has recently been KO'd. Hearn put Dave Allen in with a younger, pre-KO'd Ortiz, causing him serious physical injuries.

 

And let’s not forget how Hearn recklessly let Brook in with GGG.

 

Fair play to Sanchez for coming outright and saying it, even though he'll likely retract his words at a later date or claim Ortiz was ducking Joyce or somesuch. But really, if Joyce isn't ready for Ortiz at this point he'll never be ready. His style isn't going to improve by any great measure, so the only real variable here is Ortiz's age, and frankly I find that a bit of a cowardly tactic and one that makes me hope it'll backfire on the ones perpetrating it. Anyway, I'm not hugely impressed by Joyce or invested in him; he'll likely run into a roadblock at some point in the near future. Whether it's Ortiz who's that roadblock or someone else doesn't really matter to me.

 

Not surprising, Joyce would get KO'ed right now I think. If he won it would come at a cost, the early rounds he'd be walking through bombs.

I hope it happens sooner rather than later, Joyce has no time to waste and he doesn't have many options in terms of him moving forward.

 

Joyce has heavy hands and that’s about it, he’s too slow and easy to find. I wish him well, but when the competition steps up he’s going to have problems

 

LMAO @ everyone who thinks Joyce beats Ortiz. Ortiz would school him for 4-5 rounds then brutally KTFO him.