Abel and team Golovkin whining about charlo #1 spot

alexland · Aug 6, 2017

Adil said: ↑

GGG will fight Charlo either way if successful vs Canelo and Saunders, should Charlo become a prize fighter or sit and wait till mandatory position is forced. And Canelo and Saunders are not tune ups, they are no Heilands of the world. So be silent because as of now there are no tune up Adamas in line for GGG.

GGG team's logic is simple yet not communicated properly by them: (1) All the belts or (2) prize fights, and they should stress these two objectives more clearly, otherwise dumbasses like Dontae bias nation don't get it. It's not only one objective - all the belts - like they always say. There are two. Otherwise they wouldn't have chased Canelo. People got 'All the belts", but Prize fighting is not communicated by GGG team properly. I'd even say they can't connect with audience when talking about prize fighting.

When fighter 'A side' says potential opponent 'C side' should become a bigger 'B side' name, this is often interpreted as a way to avoid/duck this opponent, and rightfully so. But with GGG it's a different case:
- Before becoming a prizefighter, GGG was that 'C side' and fought anybody available be it Proksa, Macklin, Adama just to build his name and relevance at 160, and often for very little money (Proksa's fight purse covered only the cost of organising the event).
- After becoming a prizefighter, GGG definitely avoided Fletcher, Heiland, tried to avoid Wade (unsuccessfully due to IBF strict rules that got Tyson Fury stripped right away), didn't challenge Tureano Johnson because those are C side fighters. Did he duck them? No. But would GGG fight them if forced? Yes.

So when GGG team says Charlo should establish himself at 160, they want Charlo to become that name that fans get behind and come to and pay for the fight, that it becomes a prize fight. If GGG beats Charlo that fought nobody relevant at 160, then he'd be criticised the same way as against Brook. If Lemieux on his long-win streak KO'd Stivens before his fight with GGG, then GGG-Lemieux would have been bigger than it was. If Charlo beat Lemieux, then GGG-Charlo event will be worth coming to, and I'm saying this as a fan who travelled across the ocean for his fights against Jacobs and Lemieux (didn't come for Wade fight, guess why?).
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very good analysis

couple of minor issues though, which don't take away from your main point:

GGG never avoided Wade--he fought Wade.

and w/r/t Tureano Johnson, TJ became GGG's IBF mando. When that happened, GGG agreed to the fight straight away.

but then TJ was injured, Dominic Wade was the IBF's sub, and GGG agreed to that fight as well, which of course took place in early 2016

i doubt Fletcher would have ever agreed to get in the ring with GGG

Heiland was indeed GGG's WBC mandatory for a while, but during the time he was, GGG was tied up fighting other mandatory challengers or higher quality opponents (eg, he fought David Lemieux for DL's IBF strap, then his next fight was an IBF mando vs Wade who subbed for an injured Johnson; after that he went after Chris Eubank Jr who had been calling him out and was ranked in the top 5 at MW at the time; CEJ backed out, Brook was the sub. Next fight was Jacobs, GGG's WBA mando.

RingKing75 · Aug 6, 2017

ellerbe said: ↑

Yes one berto fight after Canelo, Maidana, Pacquaio, Cotto, etc. Moron. Funny thing is Berto is better than the majority of GGG's recent opposition hahaha.
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23 year old drained Canelo
C level Maidana instead of Khan like the fans voted and he said he`d fight
went distance with injured, declined and post ko6 manny. 5 years after it shouldve happened.
Cotto was a good not great win.
Funny how you dont mention fighting those other C level fighters like Guerrero and Ortiz. foh!

ellerbe · Aug 7, 2017

RingKing75 said: ↑

23 year old drained Canelo
C level Maidana instead of Khan like the fans voted and he said he`d fight
went distance with injured, declined and post ko6 manny. 5 years after it shouldve happened.
Cotto was a good not great win.
Funny how you dont mention fighting those other C level fighters like Guerrero and Ortiz. foh!
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If Guerrero and Ortiz are "C" level, what are Wade, Monroe, Murray, Geale, etc? F level fighters?

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