:huh I'm a big fan of several guys who are universally regarded as being very high up p4p. I just don't support any system that rewards them 'borrowing' fame from other fighters, or passing it back and forth amongst each other the way certain circles have laid siege to certain divisions in recent years!
Well the only advantage I can see with it's existence is fighters have the luxury of having big fights and big money without the sanctioing fees from the boxing bodies.
So if Ring magazine and message board posters never mentioned p4p lists again, you think it would affect whether or not promoters put Manny Pacquiao in with Juan Manuel Marquez? You don't think it's enough for people to say "Hey, these guys are really great, two of the best in their division, we want to see them in with each other! Give us this fight, we demand it!". It has to be "Make this fight because they're top p4p!"?? That's a really sad commentary on the impressionability and idiocy of the organizing powers behind the sport, if so.
Nah nah nah not on this board . . . out there in the real world. This forum doesn't even represent .0000001 % of the total boxing crowd. What I'm saying is . . . if there's no such thing P4P . . . then there's no big money fights. Of course good fighters can always fight each other but it's more likely that they'll be fighting the weak title holders than the real good fighters out there. Lack of HYPE, lack of recognition. :yep What has Pac accomplished if MAB was not holding the RING P4P title at that time? Will it be a big impact on the Pac's career as viewed today?
That's what I want to get away from. Personally, I like Pacquiao. I think he's a fantastic little offensive dynamo, and he's gotten better as he's come along. If he buckled down and started respecting Roach he could be even better. BUT Should he be in anyone's list of the top five pound for pound best fighters? No, and I don't support any system in which he is. He's ranked as such why...mainly because he twice beat not one but two former legends? Not saying they're the only two names on his resume, he has a good one overall....and he's displayed skill that certainly warrants him being people's favorite fighter, and warrants him getting big fights, and warrants him being mentioned as one of the best in his weight class...or even the best guy in his weight class until proven otherwise... But to rate him above Calzaghe? Above Mijares? Above Kessler? Above Vazquez? Above Dawson? He's not more talented than any of those guys. Whether or not any of them have four wins over former legends is irrelevant in discussing who the best of the best are. Pacquiao is great, but he's not one of the top ten most talented fighters alive. With the current format of p4p rankings, though, he is presented as such.
Did you even bother looking into the rationale behind it or is this another waste of time knee jerk reaction to just the title? And if you disagree with the rationale, why?
Well I got your point . . . and it's true. :yep That's why I said the only advantage of it's existence is on the money side.
Let me be the human time bomb, the suicidal martyr in your jihad against the P4P and ATG ratings. I'll blow up the whole system right here in ESB every time a new tendency rises - and that would be great fun.
He doesn't get that Floyd fought Hoya and Ricky is fighting Floyd in unthinkable leveled contests mainly for P4P stature and that behind that label, there's only mainstream (dollar) rationality or sci-fi into the sphere of the legendary. P4P = BS BIG TIME.