about Creatine

I assume that you're talking about taking steroids that have been prescribed by a medical doctor. In which case, yes, they can do good.

However, if you so much as possess illegally obtained steroids in the US, you are guilty of a felony under federal law, and probably also under the law of whatever state you live in. And the penalties get worse for those who deal in the drugs. You're looking at at least one year in prison.

Plus, if you take steroids under any circumstances under than as prescribed by a doctor, you deserve exactly what you get. There are probably worse ways to f**k up your body, but offhand I can't think of any.

And yeah I've seen all the literature and listened to all the bodybuilders explain why getting a peak on the bicep is worth the elevated cholestorol, high blood pressure, liver damage, abcesses, heart problems, shrunken testicles, mood swings, etc etc oh yeah and possible death and I personally don't think its worth it.

 

Do us both a favor and just watch.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

 

I saw the show live. So what? Bryan Gumbel finds a couple of steroid monkeys and a renegade doctor who support the recreational use of steroids and suddenly steroids are safe?

First up, steroids are illegal. That means that you have to get them on the black market. Which means that the product is unregulated and you can be injecting all kinds of **** into your body. Bryan Gumbel may be okay with that but I'm not.

Secondly, when you let a healthy adult male to inject this crap, all the high schoolers start doing as well. Its practically an epidemic right now. And those kids are getting hurt.

And the idiots at the American Medical Association (which is a political organization that doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the average doctor who has a modicum of common sense) have now realized that it may have made a mistake when it originally opposed the criminalization of steroids and is now expressing concern over the rampant use of steroids among, yeah you guessed it, high schoolers.

You don't need to be a mental giant to see that steroids have the potential to kill. Yes you can follow a strict regimen of cycling and have your blood work checked weekly and have the right genetics and do just fine. Maybe the gym rat next to you or the kid down the street isn't so lucky.

 

What you said about the highschoolers is 100% correct, that cannot be argued. What they are doing isn't safe.

I personally don't see them having the potential to kill. I could see a few long term side effects if high doses are used on a regular basis. But if you are safe, if you do have blood checked regularly, you do use proper amounts, and know what will work well with what, you should be fine. Sure, some people may get gyno, but that can always be fixed or prevented.

 

ok can i please note here that nothing in creatine can make you develop gynecomastia...do u even know what that is? its ***** tits and "gyno" occurs because of all the raised testosterone levels in your body when taking steroids or pro hormones may turn into the form of estrogen...if u do not take a PCT (post cycle therapy) then all those raised test levels can turn into estrogen which lead to them....aggresivenss? are u kidding me? aggressivness in creatine is what u make it...thinking you are a badass because u put on 10 ilbs of WATER weight is not aggressivness...thats all in someones head...anxiety...there is nothing in the form of creatine to alter your hormone levels...NOTHING...a reduction in ***** size is a myth.....your ***** has three large veins in it....if anything it might make it bigger due to the fact that most pre workout supps and creatine have some form of arginine in them...arginine is a vaso dialator for the veins and arteries to get more blood flow to them...and hair loss is another form of of a pro steroid or steroid side effects...listen bro...creatine is naturally occuring in the body and is also in the form of some meats...before u make any judgments on what creatine side effects are i suggest u know what the **** is before u take it...its nothing more than a water retainer....so all of that **** above is side effects from a steroid or pro hormone...not creatine...

 

Balanced healthy diet is the way to go i reckon.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl bull****. Don't believe everything you read.

 

Yup.

 

Creatine is not even remotely close or in the same ball park as a steroid hormone... Creatine is simply a protein and has NO hormonal structures or molecules to it at all.

Anabolic Steroids, for the sake of discussion, are simply male/female sex hormones. Corticosteroids are not even close to the same thing and are NOT sex hormones...they are adrenal hormones. Corticosteroids are the ones prescribed when you have asthma or a bronchial problem or when you have severe inflamation.

THEY (corticosteroids) cause a host of problems including wasting of tissue (muscle and bone).

Anabolic steroids and specifically testosterone, are similar to the female hormone estrogen...they are both sex hormones and like any other substance on earth have side effects. Even water has side effects. However, the side effects of hormone use in adult males is nothing like the government leads you to believe.

I know many people that have been using anabolic steroids since the 60's and have no side effects. They DO have a much higher quality of life then others their age ( 60's, 70's) and still hit the gym regularly, have great relationships, have little depression and an huge increase in vigor and feeling of well being than their male equivilants that do not use hormones regularly.

Decreasing hormone levels as we age WILL have negative effects on ones health, feeling of wellbeing and over all productivity. If you question that simply look at two seniors walkiing through the parking lot at the store, inevitably the FEMALE senior that began hormone replacement therapy when she began feeling depressed at age 40 will be WALKING the senior male that simply shrugged off feeling liek **** as a side effect of working alot and basically "toughed" it out...... Today, many years later they suffer and the female senior feels like a youthful woman...and phsiologically, she is compared to her husband.

Anabolic steroid ABUSE by teens is ridiculous, however if you think that making them difficult to obtain will curtail it your crazy. People will find a way and of course the way is going to be alot more dangerous than simply going to a doctor would be because of the black market.

What we need is EDUCATION..... in the schools, gyms etc. Education will TEACH the teens physiology, endocrinology and biology. If they LEARN that their testosterone level is already over a thousand and by administering exo test they will shut down their endo test production they will reconsider. Their testosterone levels are already high enough to recover and progress. However, when they get into their late 20's early 30's their free test levels will decrease and then they can look to nutritional/medical ways to help it along.

People talk about what is "fair" and "cheating" so I ask you, is it fair that a 45 year old Randy Coture with a girls free test level has an opponent that is 25 years old with a high normal test level? Randy can't recover, has limited energy and a lowered sense of well being; the 25 year old has limitless energy an aggressive sense of well being and a high recovery rate that allows him to train 2 times per day.

I don't think so! I think Randy/ Evander and whoever else is in sports should be able to "supplement" their testosterone level to a high NORMAL level (NOT beyond) so that there NOW is a level playing field.

Aging only physiologically occurs when genes say so and when hormone levels decline.... WE, as athletes, humans, americans should be able to PREVENT that and continue on with our lives as productively as we see fit. To make it a CRIMINAL ACT to use and or replace a male hormone, while women can walk into any clinic and use/replace their steroid hormones is OUTRAGEOUS!

In the future the use of GH, testosterone will increase as americans learn, through research, that proper levels of these hormones make you feel better and dramatically increase your quality of life.

I'm 39 and can out train most of my 20 year old friends, but when the day comes that my hormone level is effecting my wellbeing and my recuperative abilities you can bet damn well I will head to the doctor and LEGALLY get on hormone therapy just like the MILLIONS of americans that are doing it today.

EDUCATION...... The media is FULL OF LIES and half truths...teach yourself instead of listening to what you read, especially when the media outlet has an agenda.

If the government cared about americans well being, pain killers and muscle relaxers would be off the shelf or only administered when fit, smoking would be banned as would alcohol...these cause more death than any other drug out there. Viagra/cialis killed more americans in the past year than steroids have since they were developed in the 40's. last I checked alcohol killed more americans than cancer last year...... yet you can still go have a beer. Please, tell it to someone that doesn't actually think with a brain because any logiocal, intelligent person knows other wise.

Back to training!

 

When i was taking creatine i definately felt more aggresive and anxious, and after only a few days my face broke out with acne.. its only my opinion but i wouldnt recommend it.

 

creatine wont hurt you in the short term. It isnt a hormone and doesnt alter hormone levels. However, you dont really need it for boxing or for just someone who works out every now and then.

I tried it before and It did help me put on weight fast. The downside was I got worse stretchmarks, i think the extra swelling from the water retention caused the stretchmarks so I dont use it anymore. I dont really work out enough to need it anyway.

 

Cycling N.O xplode rocked for me personally.

 

i took creatine for a while, and i had problems with my stomach and had to go to the toilet a lot. I also had acne on my back all of the sudden. I heard from the doctor after i stopped taking it, that it's very bad for the kidneys , and that he doesn't understand why they sell it like it's nothing in the stores. I never take creatine anymore, i don't need it, i just eat my spinage

 

Wow, epic proportions of stupidity have been shown in this thread. Creatine's perfectly safe. 5g/day is about right. It's not even close to being anything like steroids. Eat some more tuna? Are you ****ing kidding? Read a ****ing nutrition book and stop posting crap. Some people respond to creatine, some don't. Bloating is usually caused by people not drinking enough water, despite their numerous protests. This is especially prevelant in boxers who like to do ******ed things like go running all bundled up and just dehydrate themselves. If you properly read up on creatine you'd know why this is so ****ing stupid. Better yet, read an endocrinology book. You really are a ****ing idiot if you think creatine's a steroid and bad for you yet you see nothing wrong with cutting 10lbs in a week or 2 before a fight and think it's all fat and water weight. Some of you need to learn to research properly for yourself instead of being mindless sheep following each other. Just another case of the blind leading the blind. Replace the word blind with utter idiot in this case.