about Creatine

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by silvy_chris, Oct 25, 2007.


  1. El Puma

    El Puma between rage and serenity Full Member

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  2. comebackkid

    comebackkid New Member Full Member

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    are you in love with creatine? watch your language , no need to be an ******* and insult me or anyone else, you could have made your point on a different manner.
     
  3. littleguy

    littleguy Member Full Member

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    Dude, you're an imbecile. Worse, you're a arrogant imbecile. Go to the Mayo clinic website and read about Creatine. Then, if you then still want to preach the virtues of Creatine, explain first why one of the most respected medical research facilities in the world is wrong
     
  4. Doomas

    Doomas Active Member Full Member

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    Show us direct links, I failed to find anything bad about it there.
     
  5. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine

    It might help you. Thing is, there really isn't a ton of information out there about it.. I remember taking the stuff when I was around 19, it helped me gain some weight and strength during a time when I really had paleued, and was having trouble gaining any type of weight. IMO it works, problem is, you wont know the long term harmful effects, if there are any..

    Try and be healthy.. Take a good multivitamin, I take Balanced Essentials because it really takes care of a broad spectrum of daily needs and has high bio availability.. http://www.mothernature.com/shop/de...=NEX&zmam=1000941&zmas=18&zmac=168&zmap=45770

    I'm getting a little older and have a hard time with milks.. I started taking Oryx Goat protein and I love it. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vyo/oryx.html

    Lots of proteins out there have more protein per serving, thing is a lot of the time your body just cant absorb that much in a sitting..

    You want to gain the right weight. Eat loads of proteins (meats, eggs, shakes, chicken, fish) Mix it up to keep your diet interesting.. I also suggest eating avocado's and tofu/soy products as veggies, it ups your protein intake overall and has fibre..

    Eat carbs and sugars for pre workout.. Minimal carbs before you sleep, no more than 20 grams of carbs before bed along with a protein shake, or two eggs, or something like straight cottage cheese with just a little fruit.. You will gain the right weight and wont regret it.

    Try to guage your protein intake.. Just over 1-1.5 grams of protein per your body weight, per day.. If you take in more, yo will probably just poop it out and waste money. Its really difficult to assimilate 2 grams of protein per lb, per day, no matter what anybody says.

    So great veggies.. Beets, Carrots (both high in sugar, and good for energy, great in juice). Arugula, Broccoli, spinach.

    Fruits.. PAPAYA!!! Papaya is probably the best fruit you could have in a smoothie, great enzymes for digestion and aid in recovery after workouts.

    Kiwi or Banana. I like to mix them up for potassium.

    blueberries or blackberries, packed with anti oxidants.

    I do this in a smoothie, with lowfat greek yogurt..

    Avocado's are great.. Has the right types of fats and relatively high in protein for a fruit. Very nutricious, but shouldn't eat loads of them.

    A good fish oil supplement, pill.

    Your pretty much set.
     
  6. littleguy

    littleguy Member Full Member

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    That's because there isn't anything "bad" about it there. No one in this thread said that the Mayo Clinic thinks Creatine is "bad." What the Mayo Clinic does say is that it is unknown what long term effect Creatine has on the body, and it is also unknown what the correct "dosage" is.

    So the each time one of these dimwit Creatine junkies starts mouthing off about how Creatine is good for you, I simply remind him/her that they are full of crap.
     
  7. welshwonder

    welshwonder G.O.A.T Full Member

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    premiership footballers in britain take creatine and it supposedly does them the world of good, at the end of the day the body creates it naturally, if you are on it in cycles it will give you more energy as, the bodys energy system is the pcr system ( phosphocreatine) which the creatine tops up. if used in excess you could experience kidney failure due to the pressure the kidney is put under, but this is an extreme. britains sporting governing bodies consider it perfectly healthy, only time will prove whether they are right ir wrong.
     
  8. Marvelous Marcum

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    First of all, stop with your childish name calling. Second, please try to learn at least a little about something before you start bitching little guy.

    1) Creatine supplementation increases muscle strength and stamina and prevents joint stiffness in boys with muscular dystrophy, according to a study in Muscle & Nerve (2003;27:604–10). Wow, creatine helps with Muscular Dystrophy... but that couldn't mean that it's good for you now could it?

    2) Creatine monohydrate (10 g daily for 5 days to 5 g daily for 5 days) was administered to patients with neuromuscular disease in a pilot study (Study 1; n = 81), followed by a single-blinded study (Study 2; n = 21). Body weight, handgrip, dorsiflexion, and knee extensor strength were measured before and after treatment. Creatine administration increased all measured indices in both studies. Short-term creatine monohydrate increased high-intensity strength significantly in patients with neuromuscular disease.PMID: 10078740 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Holy ****! Another study showing how it helps people out...


    3) A 1996 study found that men with high cholesterol (more than 200 milligrams per deciliter of blood) lowered their numbers when taking creatine. The total cholesterol reduction wasn't dramatic--about 5 percent--but triglycerides and very-low-density cholesterol (the most dangerous kind) each went down more than 20 percent. Well I'll be damned, that also proves that it can help people.

    The only thing you've been remotely correct about is the fact that Creatine has not proven to be safe for LONG TERM usage. However there was a 5 year study done, and would you like to know the negative side effects? Well, 3 girls gained a little weight, which I'm sure could have been directly correlated with their diets. Now PLEASE for the sake of all of us who have a clue what we're talking about, stop posting your mindless chatter.
     
  9. Doomas

    Doomas Active Member Full Member

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    So your saying that it has plenty of posstivie effects, and none "yet" known negetive (except that its bad for ppl who have kidney problems).
    So all of this war against creatine usage is just that theres little knows long term effects ? One post to informe everyone should have been enough. Calling someone junkies just becouse they found out that creatine helps them is absurd.
     
  10. comebackkid

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    it's bad for the kidneys, not with people who already have kidney problems., well also for them , but not only for people who already have problems
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Thats nonsense.Yes creatine is produced in the body naturally along with Test and HGH but ALL are naturally occuring compounds in the body which are safe.If you abuse them then of course the results would be negative and counter productive.Either way Creatine is not the best substance for producing good muscle mass.Most tend to retain water more than anything else and it wont increase your hardness.

    Its ironic that you suggest Tuna when fish is laden with creatine.Kind of contradicts your original statement which was false anyway.
     
  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Any substance in copious amounts is bad for your kidneys as your kidneys have to flush the chemicals out.If your not drinking enough water you increase the toxins in your blood and the likelyhood that you will in future have liver and kidney problems.But this is merely speculative as each persons body is diffrent and reacts diffrently to stimulus.There isnt a hard and fast rule.
     
  13. comebackkid

    comebackkid New Member Full Member

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    so what ur saying some people will have problems and some won't? I know that when you take creatine you have to drink a lot of water, a lot of people have told me this when i took it
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    ***** tits occurs because depending on the steroid ingested it aromatizes naturally into female hormones.Because these drugs are so androgenic they dramtically decrease natural test production and increase the levels of test in your blood.Thus there is an unnatural imbalance between the female and male hormones in your blood.Once this occurs over long periods of abuse some guys can develop ***** tits.To be honest these days its rare.As this only occurs amonsgt guys who have no clue as to what there putting in there mouth.They simply go according to the normal supposition "steroids build muscles". Drugs like Tamoxifen are used side by side with the steroid hormones to combat this effect. Most of the effects you see written in casual articles on abuse are those that occur over long periods of time.IE months to years of abuse.It wont occur from doing a cycle for say 2-3 weeks.
     
  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Complaints on Creatine are rare and often a case of misinformation as this thread seems to be on reading through it.Creatine is good for stamina increasing energy levels and the supply of blood to your muscles.It wont do you any harm at all.Its not a hormone so you wont have any side effects from taking it for long periods of time.Although i wouldnt advise this as it promotes water retention.

    It all depends on what your trying to achieve.Moderation is the key when it comes to supplements.I myself dont take any and prefer to have a hardcore workout regime incoperating lots of CV and heavyweights to keep my metabolism fast and it eat a shed load of fish and vegetables.Most of what i eat is complex and good carbs along with tons of proteins.Diet is the key to be honest.Too many quys get hooked on a quick fix.