about Creatine

Steroids dont kill.Extreme cases of death are rare.The problem occurs when people stack too many diffrent drugs and compounds and this is where the issues occur.(including recreational drugs and alcohol) Theres only so many toxins your body can have in its blood at any given time and only so much your liver and kidneys can filter effectively before you see permanent or drastic results.In the vast majority of cases coming of a slew of drugs can reverse the effects.But theres normally some heart liver or kidney damage but these are rare and in most cases just hype and mis information.The bottom line is steroids are not dangerous.They commonly occur in medicines like Cortisone for Ezcema and even pain killers like NSAID`s which can contain small doses of steroids even though there non steriodal anti inflammatorys. The problems only ever occur from long term and pro longed abuse.Anyone who`s clued up about what they ingest will know what to do to prevent longterm damage.

 

your right, diet is the key. Altough when i took creatine i didn't felt any change in my energy level , i got tired from running to the toilet all the time. Creatine gives some people the runs

 

Personally i think Creatine is overrated and a waste of time.

 

it's just mentally , i feel more stronger since i changed my diet and quit creatine

 

I recently bought some creatine, just to see what its like. I skipped the whole loading phase and used it only before training, I noticed that my stamina improved slightly, and I could continue working out longer.
But one thing I didnt like, some veins poped out on my biceps, wich doesnt look very good...maby Ill stick to more natural stuff.

 

Creatine is natural.

 

Haven't seen anything on here about improved recovery times, which is why many athletes use it...

 

First up, articles in muscle mags don't count - those guys would promote steroids if they thought that they could get away with it

Second, your 1996 study was for 5 days. Under controlled conditions and presumably monitored by medical personnel. For all the info you give it could have been sponsored by the Creatine manufacturers. I'm talking about teenagers buying the stuff in bulk and shovelling it down day after day

Third, I'm glad to hear that Creatine may lower cholestorol, although again you don't say who sponsored the study. What about long term damage to the liver, any word on that?

THe reason I go to the Mayo Clinic as a source is that its a respected medical institution, with no loyalty to the manufacturers. If you really think that that is "mindless chatter" then there's no reasoning with you. Stick to reading your muscle mags

 

No dude, I'm not saying it has plenty of positive effects. What i'm saying is that no one knows what the long term effect is. And anyone who comes on here and says that Creatine is safe is guessing

There's a lot of talk out there about this stuff. Some people swear by it, others think its a waste of time. I don't know one way or the other. I don't care. I always trained natural anyway. What I do know is that the medical profession hasn't yet decided whether its safe in the long term. Hope that's clear enough for you

 

THe new creatine does not create water weight.

 

I'm going to have to rain on your parade too, dude. You're confusing androgenic steroids (testosterone et al) with corticosteroids (the stuff you find in creams for jock itch and the like.) Androgenic steroids are produced from or mimic testosterone - the male sex hormone. Corticosteroids are related to cortisol, which is a completely different hormone although both are produced by the adrenal gland.

As for your statement that the problems/dangers only result from prolonged and long term use, you're dreaming. I'm not going to argue this one though. Anyone on this board who advocates steroid use is beyond reasoning with

 

You are "beyond reasoning with", Little guy.

I've been in and around gyms since 1982, trained as a professional athlete and have been friends, gym mates with many pro athletes and gym goers thaty have used steroids as far back as 40 years ago and guess what??? They are FINE!! Not only fine, but the ones that have continued to live a health and fitness related lifestyle are in AMAZING shape and condition, some as old as 70 years old..and they used steroids.

In this article below MLB pitcher, Tom House of the Atlanta Braves and team mate of Hank Arrons) describes the 60's and 70's era where EVERYONE used steroids. They are faaaar from new, Little guy and this (21 century) is NOT the true steroid era. that would have to be the 70's, 80's when no one tested and everyone used. Today they still do use them and always will, but they test and it makes it a bit more challenging but not impossible.
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Former pitcher Tom House describes past steroid use
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Former major league pitcher Tom House used steroids during his career and said performance-enhancing drugs were widespread in baseball in the 1960s and 1970s, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Tuesday.
House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves' bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and "whatever steroid" they could find in order to keep up with the competition.

"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey," House said. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding."

House, a former pitching coach with the Texas Rangers and co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, is one of the first players to describe steroid use as far back as the 1960s.

He was drafted in 1967 by the Braves and pitched eight seasons for Atlanta, Boston and Seattle, finishing his career with a 29-23 record and 3.79 ERA.

House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs.

"We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed," he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them."

House said he gained almost 30 pounds while using steroids, blaming the extra weight for contributing to knee problems. He said the drugs helped improve recovery time and conditioning but did not add velocity to his fastball.

"I tried everything known to man to improve my fastball, and it still didn't go faster than 82 miles per hour," House said. "I was a failed experiment."

"I'd like to say we were smart, but we didn't know what was going on," he said. "We were at the tail end of a generation that wasn't afraid to ingest anything.
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Do yourself some good and research. Google testosterone and healing, testosterone and aging, low testosterone and aging, Growth hormone and aging, growth hormone and injury rehab, growth hormone and fractures, growth hormone and preventing joint replacement.

You will learn lots and lets see how "beyond reasoning" you become then.

In ABUSE steroids, can have negative effects on blood pressure, blood lipid profiles, but the things like liver damage were from steroid hormones that were 17 alpha alkalated, NOT injectable testosterone or other commonly used AMERICAN hormones.

Cortico steroids are FAAAR more dangerous then any sex hormone steroid could ever be. They destroy bone, increase cortisol and have a number of health effects (negative). Please do not compare the sex hormone testosterone to cortico steroids.

The number one problem the media is having with their fight against males using male hormones is that they can not find people who have had true life threatening damage from them. If you searched for people and death with any other FDA approved drug such as, pain killers, muscle relaxers, anti depressants, asprin...even viagra you can find SOLID cases of DEATH...the same is not true with steroids.

People say, "owe chris benoit killed his family"...that is ridiculous. Thousands of cases of people killing their family every year and guess what? NONE used steroids...they are all just INSANE...like chris benoit. Also, of the millions of people that use steroids (entertainers, athletes, business people, dads and moms), how many kill their family?

THINK ABOUT IT......and think for your self and stop listen to the nonsense on the tv.

I think Emerson once said, if you don't read the news paper you are uninformed; if you DO read the news paper you are MIS informed.

I believe that is true.

education will prevent youngsters from steroid use, not news articles.

 

Who's your supplier, Kenny? Maybe we can get some scumbag dealer off the street, at least this thread will have accomplished something

 

Im not confusing them in the slightest.There both created as you rightly said by the same glands. The discussion from what i noted was about steroids. My intention wasnt to break it down into its derivatives as because as i already mentioned all steroids are not the same. IE Equipose and Dianobol are both steroids but are diffrent hormones and used for diffrent effects.

As for your assertions on the dangers its hogwash.Theres not one person on this planet who`s going to die from steroids or suffer severe side effects from one 2/3 weekly cycle. Steroid abuse is a problem. Casual Steroid abuse is a problem due to lack of knowledge by those taking them. The problem that is inherent with steroids is the mixing of drugs, stacking multiple compounds and pure ignorance as to the result.

Im not even a steroid advocate in the slightest but scare mongering is rampant among those who have no exposure to it in the slightest. You seem to fit that bill quite aptly.

 

Did what you said and I'll break it down;

Nothing out of the ordinary here. It'd be like starting new medication.

SOME people may experience these symptoms. Like I said before, creatine works with some and doesn't with others. Weight gain and increased muscle mass? Well that's usually the point in taking creatine, and it's never more than a few pounds. Dehydration? Again, being smart in your training and hydration will take care of the dehydration. The last few ARE possible side effects, but i don't see a report anywhere showing much evidence of this. Again, people will always react differently to different substances. The biggest problems from creatine usually occur due to people buying crap quality stuff. You get what you pay for, and cheap quality creatine has a lot of unnecessary products.



[/quote]There is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine, although there are reports of kidney damage, such as interstitial nephritis. Patients with kidney disease should avoid use of this supplement. Similarly, liver function may be altered, and caution is advised in those with underlying liver disease.[/quote]


Well of course people with kidney diseases should be careful what they take. People with diseases in general should be careful with what they put into their bodies. This quote is no different than telling someone with previous brain damage to avoid boxing; it's just common sense.

Again, more common sense. If you don't use your brain with what you put into your body, you're asking for these things to happen to you.

I'm very interesting in reports of this. I'll happily admit being wrong if I see a series of unbiased reports.

MAY. Based on 1 case report? If I see more, I'll more than happily say it's a risk. Until then, I'll take it with a grain of salt. All I've seen in this thread is people who have no idea what they're talking about and are just parrotting what they've heard in media scaremongering. maybe next time you'll read that page properly.