I don't even consider that he fought Leonard and Duran. That was 8 years after Ray had a win and 6 years after Norris destroyed Ray, and Duran was 45 when he fought Camacho. The other names are ok. He had potential to be one of the all time great, but he falls short big time. I did think he would do better with Chavez and Delahoya, and he was easily beaten by both.