About pressure and Floyd...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ambition_Def, Sep 22, 2007.


  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Fair enough.
    BTW I think Spinks would cause some problems he's a southpaw has long arms, has a good jab, has fast hands, good defense, good footwork and is a smart fighter. His flaws are that he's too defensive minded and has bad stamina. I'm not so worried about his power but if he was more offensive minded he could give PBF a great fight even now he'd give him a good fight.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Spot on!:good Southpaws give PBF problems even uncle Roger said so.:lol:
     
  3. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Well you have to keep in mind that Mayweather is smaller and faster than the guys Spinks has been fighting recently. Plus he has much better footwork than a brawler like Taylor does.

    I don't know if Mayweather would get a knockout, I really doubt it. But he'd have Spinks figured out in 5 rounds tops. Zab pretty much figured out how to get Spinks by just being more aggressive and not letting him step in and out so much. And defensively Mayweather is put together much better.

    I could see him figuring out Spinks footwork for about 3-4 rounds, then stepping in behind a jab, then Spinks would be in full retreat. After that he's pretty open to those right hand counters because he does so much lunging when he's in full retreat. He gets sloppy on defense and offense when pressed. Just like was against Mayorga and Karmazin. And the thing is with those two they didn't possess the speed or accuracy that Mayweather does. They both had ample opportunities to land the counter right but could never get it down.
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Glad to know you aren't into ultimatums. Too bad I didn't give you one.

    You don't know if pressure will work or not. As a matter of fact, his pressure isn't as relevant IMO as another attribute. It's the fact that Hatton has faster hands than Castillo did and will be able to catch PBF sometimes on his way in and on PBF's way out. Otherwise he would just be getting countered by PBF over and over. His chances lie in his quicker than average hands allowing him to hit PBF where others have missed when trying to apply pressure. Usually pressure doesn't help because PBF just backs away and hits you before you can hit him and then is out of range.
     
  5. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Well I'm not talking about Hatton specifically. I do believe Hatton will give him problems though if he is allowed to press and do his inside mauling. If not then he will lose.

    But apart from that it is basic knowledge that a guy with excellent footwork who has no intentions of trading with you must be hunted down and cornered. It doesn't matter who it is. Just as I replied above to Pimp C, playing defense won't work. He's ultimately going to figure you out by your footwork and then he's going to just potshot you and move at his leisure.

    Now there is another way which is a much larger opponent that could be defensive. But he'd have to keep his hands up all the time and bait Mayweather to fall in. Someone like Paul Williams for example.
     
  6. allenko1

    allenko1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Being a smart fighter helps. Wouldn't everyone agree? De la Hoya put walked him around but didn't make him change. Castillo in the first bout actually hit Mayweather. Good pressure, not recklessness
     
  7. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    I been gone for a second and this clown thinks he is right:rofl:rofl:rofl Let me break it down in child terms.. Uhmm.. Floyd is a counter puncher by nature. A counter puncher sits back and looks for openings to land his shots. Being a counter puncher means the other guy has to play ball buy coming forward and being the aggressor. Which is what applying pressure is. Pressure destructs Zab Judah..but it dont mean **** to floyd. If you pressure by coming forward and mauling him..you are for one not going to be in position to punch b/c your feet are not planted..two.. Floyd loves to fight off of the back foot in which the other guy has to come forward with pressure for Floyds style to work. Another thing that throws your bull**** non-boxing know-nothing ass out of the window is that making floyd the aggressor or making him come forward which he is not as effective doing is the way to beat him. By a southpaw with reach and a good right hook. Everybody who ever posted with me heard me say this a million times. If floyd has to come forward he is not as effective. So if you have a rangy jab and pop him at range not with no damned pressure.. Floyd has to come forward to you to score any points or sit back and lose a decision.....LEARN BOXING CLASS DISMISSED..****
     
  8. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    This guy has no clue.Me and you are at odds and ends but we agree on alot.
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You decide that people who think a certain way are stupid, and then discover that these "stupid" people all think a certain way?

    What a breakthrough! :D
     
  10. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    :rofl

    I'm not sure yet if it's directly related to IQ but it could be. :think
     
  11. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    I guess you being stupid..you dont realize he was being sarcastic.
     
  12. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree , and even when he does back off his upper body movement is so fluent that it allows him to weave out the the way of punches and counter from odd angles with his reach.
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :lol: they are stupid BIGTIME! :yep
     
  14. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I liken it to shooting fish in a barrel. It's almost cheating really.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any style can beat any fighter as long as the person applying the style is good enough. Pressure can beat Floyd - is Hatton good enough? I don't think so