About pressure and Floyd...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ambition_Def, Sep 22, 2007.


  1. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Why do you guys keep bringing Hatton up? We aren't discussing him. :nono
     
  2. DoumB

    DoumB HOYA KO1 PRESSCOT Full Member

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    I think pressure alone wont beat floyd, u have to be real skilled inside and physicaly stronger then floyd to rough him up a bit, a good jab to lead in and let floyd's guard up while ur cutting off to him,

    Or another style that could beat floyd would be a real tall fighter who fight from the outside and can get in(Hearns) even I think Williams (even if not that good) can improve and learn to use better footwork and force floyd to lead in could give him a lot of trouble.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok then....your point is wrong then. Pressure will work from whom? Anyone? That's false. Obviously you will need to name a fighter to apply the pressure for your point to stand.
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    :nono I never said pressure always works. I said pressure can work.

    If you want to liken it to Hatton that is fine for the sake of discussion I suppose, but it seems everyone is using Hatton as the prime example of pressure.
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But we don't know that pressure can work....thats like saying any style can work. This is merely a guess based on? Not trying to egg ya on, but you seem to be playing a game of semantics just to screw with people.

    I am sure this threads stems from what PBF fans have said. And I am sure they have said it in Hatton vs PBF discussions. So one would assume, and probably rightfully so, you are talking about Hatton.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    :think

    It isn't just the Hatton vs Mayweather threads. It's everytime Mayweater is matched to a pressure fighter that these clowns come out of the shadows to say "OH PRESSURE WONT WORK CUZ HES BEATEN 38 OF THEM AND IS UNDEFEATED"

    And that nonsense talk that he is a natural counter puncher. I guess they must have missed his fights with Corrales and Ndou.

    Anyhow I'm only interested in tagging the dumb-dumbs seeing as how I've been away from gen for a bit. I'd like to know upfront who to avoid and who to bother with. :good
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know you like to **** people (especially PBF fans) off just to see how stupid their reactions are....don't play dumb, you haven't been gone THAT long :)

    You must be referring to fantasy fights when PBF is matched with pressure fighters. He hasn't fought many in real bouts. The problem is, most pressure fighters are slow a foot or slow handspeed. Hatton is neither, though he is not as fast as PBF in either category. Somebody like JCC in his prime would have been a horse of a different color for PBF, something he had not ever seen. But each styles elite practitioner can spell trouble for anyone.

    PBF is not a natural anything IMO. He adapts to each fighter he faces. It's up to them to prepare for that. PBF can be beaten, and someone will probably do it. But its gonna take a great performance.
     
  8. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Yes well if you look throughout history a good pressure fighter either needed to be extremely big or extremely good on his feet. Without one or the other it's not gonna work. You can be smaller and have poor footwork, but you better be one hell of a defensive counterpuncher.

    I don't typically believe in all cases a pressure fighter needs to have exceptional hand or foot speed. A good reach and a solid foundation can overcome a lot of things if you are clever enough to time your opponent.

    Hatton comes from that other end where he's small and compact but he gets leverage and speed by leaping into his punches. Whatever he lacks in reach he makes up for in footwork and handspeed.

    But I will repeat that if Hatton is not allowed close combat he will be made to look silly. I don't think even with his lunging in and grabbing could he win should the ref show intolerance for inside holding. It will look like Jones-Ruiz all over again.

    Exactly.
     
  9. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    i'm sure there are a number of ways to beat floyd. anything can happen with the right boxer on the right night. castillo had success using pressure, delohoya had some success when he trew lots of jabs, judah had success with superior speed. but, hatton's only chance is to apply lots of pressure. and, he might be able to get it done, but don't hold your breath.
     
  10. knockout

    knockout Make my day Full Member

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    well it has work Hatton cant stand in front of him and box that would be foolish.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Pressure is the way to beat most boxers, and Floyd is no exception. It just depends on whether the pressure fighter has the tools to work their way inside and apply effective pressure while making him have to fight back.
     
  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bollocks! De La Hoya and Castillo gave Mayweather his toughest two fights and neither has an exceptional jab, footwork or speed. De La hoya has "pop", but it didn't bother Mayweather. Neither man is tall either.

    What are you basing this off? It's just pure speculation.

    It seems another way to put across that you don't think Hatton has a chance. The fact is, the people who won the most rounds against Floyd did so using pressure.
     
  13. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mayweather's definitely at his best when u give him that bit of room.

    gatti and corrales spring to mind.

    he's always been a fighter that will draw an opponents sting and then fire in quick counters.

    this is where i reckon hatton can get good work in and score pts. :bbb
     
  14. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    when floyd gets old (32) then your theory might hold more weight. right now it's just an opinion
     
  15. lillarry

    lillarry Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You know what, except for the pop, everything you said Paul Williams has. If he can learn to sit on his punches, he might be the guy that can give Floyd his first L. But I dont see this fight ever taking place. Too much of high risk low reward at this time for Floyd. And I dont blame him either.