ABRAHAM destroys MIRANDA - Bring on Pavlik!

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  1. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    He was ready to. No doubt if Miranda had got Abraham hurt real bad and even knocked him down, it was all set up to call another phantom low blow foul and DQ Pantera. No way Miranda was walking out of Wetzler with the belt that night. Sauerland bought himself a sure win.
     
  2. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    You know there has been alot of BS regarding Abrahams handlers leading into fights, in fact Kingsley Ikeke went over there to fight him and Kings is never out of shape he basicly lives in the gym and has never had trouble making weight prior to his flight Roach checked his weight and he was at 158 he got to Germany and some how at the scales they said he was about 4 pounds over the limit.
    The instructed him to take off that weight which effected him in the fight simply becuase they were not using the official scale, How do I know this? well A: I trained at Wildcard for five years and B: Mirandas people caught them in the act of doing the same **** and when they asked where is the official scale Mirandas people were told its in the Champions dressing room, they requested to use that scale and would you know it, Miranda was not over weight.
    I am almost certain they pulled the wool over freddys eyes regarding this ****, but he got away with it so who am I to hate. One thing is for sure, Miranda would have got robbed even if he dominated all 12 hell if he knocked him out they may have ruled it a DQ people are now seeing why Jones refused to fight in Germany.
     
  3. Executioner

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  4. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    The Killtheking line is Abraham is a crossing of a evil alien and an islamic terrorist that with the help of evil nasty greedy german nazi promoters tries to overtace the planet by becoming MH champ. Poor little Ikeke and innocent Miranda were brutaly raped by the tentaclealien Abraham and when they fought back an deprogrammed robojudge tried to kill them...

    For fu*** sake let the two fight and stop talking bullsh**....
     
  5. Pantera2000

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    Yes, the Sauerland scale 'trick'. Miranda had 5 scales in his hotel and weighed in under 159lbs on all of them 1 hour before weigh in. At the weigh in the scale disappeared into Abraham locker room. As soon as they brought it out, what do you know, Abraham was EXACTLY 160lbs, but mysteriously, Miranda weighed in about half a pound too heavy. He had to go out and jump rope for 15 minutes to sweat it off.

    What people dont see about Sauerland is all the bull**** they pull before the fight even happens. They will stick you in a hotel without A/C in the middle of the summer (tried it with Pantera, but they switched hotels). They will stick you in a room near a train track. They will pick you up for a press conference that they say starts at 1pm, but actually it doesnt start till 3pm, so they make the fighter sit around and weight. Miranda traveled to Germany for an Aug 23rd fight. 4 days before the fight they tell him to go home because Sauerland canceled the fight (supposely Abraham was sick). Miranda had to gain back some weight and return to Germany with 3 weeks notice when they rescheduled. This weight loss/gain/loss was no doubt hard on him.

    Jantuah was actually picked up 1 hour late for his weigh in against Abraham. When he got there, Abraham had already weighed in and Jantuah was told, Abraham was perfect weight. Nobody from his team every got to verify it.

    Wilfred Sauerland is a dirty dirty crook.
     
  6. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    You are as dilusional as you are biased.
     
  7. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    So you must be in Miranda´s Team?!

    If not it is just "heard something from someone who heard it from someone"...
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pantera2000 is a strong supporter of his favorite fighter and knows one thing or two about boxing... Of course he tells Team Miranda's side of the 'Sauerland story', but since boxing business is nothing new to me, I definitely give credit to his word in a lot of subjects, even if I'm doing the opposite stuff in trying to make the average ESB fan to give this poor Abraham guy a little credit for his hard-earned victory and for taking the rematch agreeing on most of the other side's terms. Of course, I'm still waiting on P2k's reply to explain his opinion how exactly Mr. Sauerland's influence works on the officials, Randy Neumann, a seemingly respected referee in the USA, and the judges, Larry Hazzard (USA), Dave Parris (GBR) and Raffaele Argiolas (ITA), of course neither of them in connection with the Austrian Boxing Commission, where Sauerland's fighters are licenced.

    And by the way, I've always wanted to ask: what is your position, if you're involved, in Team Miranda?
     
  9. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    Looks like a nutsack cleaner. They also seem to have some professional **** talkers on stuff. Not too many boxing experts on the other hand.
     
  10. Hermit

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    He has given AA his due, expecially for the rematch. His gripe is with Saurland. Some of his 'claims' like the disappearing 'official' scales was recently backed up by someone else. P2K is passionate but has also been quite candid and has offered us some insights that we should appreciate getting. He knows that I'm first and foremost a Pavlik booster because he is a local kid, but still we've had several PMs about various things. I have never asked his 'position' because he never offered and I doubt we will get much more than, he has an 'ear' in the camp. ;) Closest I've seen is him asking Piped if he was Sherlock Holmes. You would have had seen that reference though. :D
     
  11. Pantera2000

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    I have the upmost respect for Abraham. My gripe is with Wilfred Saulerland. And as far as my position. I am an 'ear' and willing to leak out what I am allowed to you who may have an interest in what I 'hear'.
     
  12. BigBone

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    Oh yeah, I'm definitely interested in the Neumann situation, and your opinion on how exactly Mr. Sauerland forced his will on him, a seemingly respected US referee (and judge).

    Of course we are talking about the same guy who never attempted to step in and stop the Alfonso Gomez vs. Arturo Gatti massacre, and ironically, he never attempted to stop the Miguel Cotto vs. Alfonso Gomez massacre either... so speaking about a referee's incapability to do his job well (definitely incapable in the Abraham-Miranda fight), might not be the case of Mr. Sauerland’s influence on the officials at all - but the plain and simple incapability of Mr. Neumann as a professional boxing referee...
     
  13. Bazooka

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    This is exactly what Happend when Kingsley Ikeke went over seas to fight AA by the time the fight happend you could see Kingsley did not look the same he was sluggish it was the first time I have ever seen Ikeke look like that, even in his loss to Pascal which he took on short notice he still didnt look that bad, granted that fight took place at a higher weight but still it just was not the same Kingsley that I have seen at Wildcard.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    this is a pretty heavy accusation but i'm afraid without a proper source its not very credible. When Sebastien Demers went to Germany to fight Abraham he was treated really well.

    Also Arslan is promoted by Universum and when Ding went to fight him in Germany, he said he was treated VERY well
     
  15. Chillman

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    Where's Ding btw?
    Always nice to hear real boxers like him voice their opinion on this forum.