Abraham-Dirrell... missed knockdowns, fouls, 'slips'

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  1. rinsj

    rinsj Active Member Full Member

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    Who else feels that Abraham should have been credited with 2 knockdowns in the 10th? He went down twice and there was a punch connecting both times he fell. The first knockdown he clinched from a punch and went down. The second knockdown by Abraham later in the round of Dirrell was even more convincing. Neither were ruled a knockdown though.

    I believe you could even justify that in the 11th Dirrell was knocked down as Abraham connected with what appeared to be a hard jab prior at the moment he went down in the corner.

    Ok, maybe I am reaching here but with a different ref, one who would penalize Dirrell for excessive holding, low blows, and 'slips' to the mat, perhaps Abraham would have quickly closed the gap on the scorecards even without even needing a knockout.
     
  2. Farmboxer

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    Cole is a well known biased referee. Watch some of his fights, over the years in TexASS. Abraham was cheated out of, at least, one knockdown, and you could be fight about others. Cole did not call the headbutt that caused the cut. Cole did not call the low blows. Notice that Dirrell was fine, he looked at his corner to get instructiors, then realize he had struck gold! Just fake being knocked out and win by disq., Dirrell knew he was in trouble. Hey, American fighters will have to fight in Europe again, so let Euros get revenge. Ward refused to fight anywhere excdpt his home town. Watch Green get cheated. Dirrell faked an injury to get the fight in his hometown, wanted all three judges are ref from Michigan. I hated Cole long before this fight.

    Dirrell was ready to be knocked out, sent down from a left jab/slip, noticed he looked over at his corner, then acted like he was suddenly knocked out. Abraham was on his way to a knockout win and Dirrell knew it. Cole is an idiot. Abraham clearly knocked Dirrell down and Cole called it a slip! Video says otherwise. The cut was caused by a headbutt, video clearly shows this. Dirrell did a good acting job. Watch the video again, watch Dirrell look at his corner before pretending he was knocked out. Dirrell was finished and he knew it. This is not the first time Cole has been biased. Check out many of his fights in Texas protecting the home fighter. I had Abraham losing on points as I expect him to do, but the knockout was there to be had, Dirrell was finished, therefore the acting job.
     
  3. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    i completely agree mate nice post. the fight was infuriating to watch. ****ing biased refs.

    but like you said yourself, the euro refs will be biased again so it is a never ending stupid cycle of refs being pricks
     
  4. flyboi

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    Shut the **** up, u look stupid! he clearly slipped!
     
  5. rinsj

    rinsj Active Member Full Member

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    now don't go getting your undies in an uproar "fleaboi"
     
  6. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Much of this I agree with, but Dirrell did very little intentional holding.
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Nah. You could clearly see Dirrell's leg hitch and as he went over Abraham's ankle. He tried to take a step. The punch wouldn't have knocked him down without the trip.
     
  8. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    1 of the KD's was legitimate for sure.
     
  9. gungfu

    gungfu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just watched the fight again...

    as for Dirrell going down, you can see a moment before it happens, Abraham had his foot actually on Dirrell's foot and then it goes behind it before landing the punch that sent Dirrell down.

    There's no doubt that was a legitimate KD though since it was a connected punch that forced Dirrell to go backwards. However, I think it was a combination of those two factors - punch and foot position - that contributed to it. But the deciding factor was the punch, imo.

    Conversely, Dirrell also scored a legitimate KD when he sent Abraham to the ropes. There's nothing to indicate that it wasn't. I think because it happened so near the bell and that Abraham wasn't hurt and got back up so quickly, it appeared more of a slip to the ref, which was a wrong decision.

    As for the 'headbutt', I'm unconvinced. A moment before their heads met Dirrell landed a hard punch to the same area where the cut later appeared...and after that their heads come together. However, there was no clash and I'm very doubtful that any force came into play when it happened. I watched it in normal speed and in slo-mo and there's just no impact to justify the cut being made by a butt of heads.

    No idea where the **** the idea that Dirrell was excessively holding or hitting below the belt comes from.
     
  10. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dirrell did hit below the belt a couple of times but I think it was unintentional. He did not hold much at all.

    All in all I feel Dirrell fought quite a clean fight.

    The problems was the referees line.
     
  11. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First of all, props to Dirrell for outboxing Abraham. He improved from the Froch fight and showed hi talent.

    But he is also a pathetic cheater. I saw the slips as slips, not knockdown, but how many times can a highly trained athlete slip like that accidently? I think he uses slips when he feels trouble, just like he did against Froch. The knockout was pure show, a few seconds after the punch, he is suddenly out. Reminded me of Michalczewski against Rocchigiani. He might have very well won the fight without that, he seems to have a good chin and could have run and moved for four more minutes.
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with everything you said apart from Dirrell knockdown in the 10th being legitimate. If the fighter has his foot stood on or in this case tripped, it can't be a legitimate knockdown. Dirrell had taken similar punches earlier with little effect and he seemed to not be hurt as he jumped right back up after going down and looked fine.

    I also didn't see much holding if any from Dirrell. I clearly remember thinking on more than one occasion that Dirrell should have grabbed AA when he had his back to the ropes, rather than just standing there and slipping punches.
     
  13. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is what boxing needs...

    A boxer good enough to call off the bull****... Ward happily played along, and Dirrell is too inexperienced to control his team...

    We need someone who says "I am good, I need no bull **** to win - I will box and win"

    Is that too much to ask? Why all the rubbish...?
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well he does have a style that involves a lot of movement and having adverts on the canvas will only make the ring more treacherous. Dirrell clearly slipped over, his leg shot out from under him as he probably slipped on water residue left in Abrahams corner. He slipped up a few rounds earlier on the exact same spot when Abraham was nowhere near him.

    I find your conclusions based on this fight to be flawed. He went over alot against Froch mainly due to his style and Froch's pressure. But in this fight when he did go down it was clearly a slip or a trip.

    As for the knockdown, clear delayed reaction. We have seen it hundreds of times before I don't see why this any different other than the fact it was an illegal punch.
     
  15. gungfu

    gungfu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow. Someone like AA takes a free shot to your chin with bad intentions and you expect Dirrell to pop right back up and go on as if nothing had happened? Surely you jest.

    That was a hard punch he took.