Abraham is deemed worthy to step up a weight class, why not Haye???

Would it maybe have anything to do that haye has been KTFO out on more than one occasion, has faded like a joke with poor stamina and isn't that great of a boxer at all? Yes he talks, and talks a lot. Notice AA doesn't talk much, can go 12 rounds with ease, has incredible skills, and KTFO of people instead of himself dropping to the canvas. I see a big difference between the two. Those who talk don't know, and those who know don't talk

 

Of course he is worthy. The first poster was bitching about boxrec.

Remember - noone should try to make sense of boxrecs rankings. They are not about worthy or not, they are computer generated based on flawed human input.

 

Good point.

 

If Haye had been humble and classy like Abraham and knocked out very good HW, like AA knocked out Miranda at 166 and if he had actually shown up for his fight with Wlad...nobody would ***** about him.

Haye has only 23 fights and has fought once in 15 months since starting to run his mouth about cleaning out the HW division. That makes him a dubious figure, not the fact that he is moving up in weight.

 

The topic of BoxRec's rankings keeps coming up.

BoxRec's rankings are based on an algorithm (mathematical formula) that calculates the quality of each win based on the resume of the beaten fighter, the duration of the fight, the margin of victory and several other variables. The info is just fed into a computer and rankings are spewed out the other end.

It doesn't consider other intangibles, or special circumstances. Therefore, it's not really meant to be like RING's list, or your list, however you compile it.

The algorithmic approach works very well for chess rankings, reasonably well for Tennis, but quite poorly for boxing.

In chess and in tennis, this kind of thing works better because generally, if A can beat B, and B can beat C, then A can beat C.

In boxing, that's often NOT the case.

It should be treated in that light.

It's not meant to be taken as a serious measure of greatness.

 

im sure he respect wlad outside the ring but in the ring show no respect, no mercy! haye is great at expresing himself,
he is like 100 times more exciting than all those abc titelholders... together

 

This.

 

(168 - 160)/160 = 5 % Increase
(240 - 200)/200 = 20 % Increase

Do The Math!

Now Haye does not necessarily have to weigh 240 lbs to face Wladimir (obviously), but anyone who says that these two situations are the same is fooling themself.
Also, Abraham is moving up and actually facing some top ten contenders, he will be earning his worthiness in the ring.

 

There's a HUGE difference between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. The opponents Haye would have to beat at HW, any one of them has a chance at beating Haye with the power HW's have.

Whereas AA is only going up a few pounds.

 

Hmm, how did Miranda get to be 'borderline top ten' at SMW?

 

When was that then ?

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He didn't did he :huh

 

He respect Wlad? After a lot of insulting trash talks? He even disrespected Ali . . . WTF?

If he already earned his #1 rating as a legitimate challenger and Wlad refuses to fight him . . . his trash talks could be acceptable.

But right now . . . he hasn't.

 

Abraham fought Miranda at a catchweight not far from SMW and performed very well. Haye's performance against Barrett wasn't impressive enough though I'm sure he can perform far better against another opponent. Some activity from Haye at Heavy would make his fight with Wladimir bigger and PPV worthy. Wladimir is just too good right now and way highly regarded, that's why Haye is mostly insulted or laughed at when anyone discusses his chances of winning the fight.

 

A lot of people are throwing around the fact that Haye was undisputed champion at CW.

I may be missing something, so correct me if I am wrong. My understanding is that he won the first two of the belts in one title fight. He then defended his titles and won another against an opponent who is not particularly amazing.

That's it. That's all he has accomplished. Two title fights. It's not like he was a juggernaut at CW, clearing out a stacked division.

It's pretty easy to imagine other fighters who could have become undisputed if they cared to do so; Adamek could have probably won those same fights; Chad Dawson could have won those fights; BHop could probably have moved up and done so even Chambers could have lost some pounds and probably won those titles. I'm sure other people can think of even more fighters who could have easily become undisputed CW in the same fashion that Haye did.

When you say "undisputed" it implies a lot. But in perspective Haye's accomplishments at CW just aren't that amazing. So when people emphasise that Haye was undisputed at CW it seems like they are really trying to hype Haye without giving due to the facts of the situation.

"Undisputed" sounds a lot better then "A guy who won two title fights, and one of them was against a stiff"