Abraham on Pavlik's loss

Yeah, and that's all we care about.

 

So the first fight doesn't count essentially?

 

Yeah, I haven't seen much of him too.
From what I've seen he has power and a good defense, and very good timing when countering. But no, speed, head movement and consistency are not his strong aspects, to say the least.
Overall, I've said it again that Pavlik vs Abraham HAS to be made, lets see which one of these middleweight top dogs is the better fighter.

 

What kind of question is this? All fights count. The rematched fixed everything. AA won the first fight. There was controversey in the first fight, but AA won the first fight.

 

It does, but rematches help determine who the better fighter truly is.
In most cases that's what happens, the better fighter prevails in the rematch.
But there are exceptions.

 

Actually AA actually has speed and good head movement AA can do it all. He moves but that is not his forte. He is no dancer. He uses defense and power. His weakness is sometimes he arm punches at times. Some say his inactivity is a weakness, but it is a part of his style.

 

Exactly. Like you knew who was better with Miranda and Abraham after their two fights. You didn't know who was better with Raf Marquez and Izzy Vasquez until their third fight.

 

Yep, he is a very good fighter. But his best wins so far are over Miranda (one close and one convincing), so I want to see him and Pavlik fight, to determine who's the top dog at Middleweight.

 

That isn't his best win to me. That is only a win over a name people recognize. The Ikeke win was his best win imo.

 

I concur, equally good win.
What I'm trying to say is he hasn't fought any really special fighters for me to say he's exceptional, or to put him above Pavlik.
Those two have to meet.
Good thing Abraham already started calling Kelly out.

 

i thought it was six pounds?

 

pavlik will need to fight a few bums before facing abraham to get some confidence back.
so early 2010.i reckon.
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Pavlik was never above Abraham. All Pav has is more titles since he did beat J.T, but AA was a champ before Pav. Pav does have the lineal title, but AA has more defense, and has reigned longer regardless of the title situation.

 

:nut

care to give a description of his robbery win on Ian Gardener in germany...here is mine Grardener out boxed him at least 8 rds

 

Pav weighed in at 169 and came into the ring unofficially at 174. Hop weighed in at 170, and unofficially weighed in at 180. It was only 6 lbs.