Abraham vs. Pavlik - Who will win if they fight now at 160/168?

MW isn't even feasible anymore (though it would have been amazing a couple of years ago).

At 168 right now, based on their performances against their two common opponents (both have one points victory and two stoppages), you have to pick Abraham by late KO after Pavlik sweeping the early rounds.

 

this is ignorant on a couple fronts. for one, you don't become the king of any boxing division unless your athleticaly gifted.

but lets entertain your flawed theory for a second. jermain taylor was a phenomenal athlete (don't dispute this please) and became the mw king......all those athletic gifts did what for him against this guy who isnt athleticaly gifted??

 

imo pavlik would win this fight.

i like pavlik to outwork arthur over 12 hard rounds , pavlik maybe having to get off the deck 1 or 2 times to do it .

pavliks hight and workrate , will keep arthur from firing all the time and providing kelly keeps up the same workrate down the stretch from 8 to 12 i think he takes it -8-4 or 8.6 given that i think he will hit the canvas.

arthur has to beat kelly by ko IMO , of course this is enteirley feasible given kelly fights in straight lines and will be right in arthurs firing line when arthur throws his sparodic but very heavy flurries.

if kelly can stand up to these then arthur IMO is simply not willing or able to keep up with such a pace that kelly can set.

i do not see kelly putting abraham on the deck, abraham tucks up to well and because he only fights 30 seconds a round, leaves little to hit.

big factor would be where the fight took place, kelly might be a home town home country fighter only and mentally fall apart when in the lions den like many fighters have frozen in big fights when fighting in the other mans backyard for the first time have.

kellys biggest fight he froze and had no plan b, arthur fights only one way as well now, tcuk up and let big punches go in bunches and then conserve energy again.

i thought it was just the weight making 160 causing him to do this, but he fought the same v miranda and taylor at 168 as he was doing at 160.

he simply gives away the first 4 rounds adopting this stratergy meaning he is playing catch up all the time.

if i was advising kelly i would tell him to just place shots at an even tempo in rounds 1 to 4 do not try to put full power into them , just conserve energy while winning the rounds and then as arthur starts letting go in round 5 onwards , tuck up yourself into a ball, let arthur burn himself out, only takes 15 secs or so for this to be the case and then work hard inbetween to catch up and win rounds .

this stratergy IMO would work.

if he punches with arthur when arthur lets go, some big booming roundhouse punches are going to connect and kelly IMO will be hurt he simply does not have the head movement or feet movement to avoid all of arthurs bombs during the 15 secs arthur lets go.

either run or tuck up and arthur gives you loads of time in a round in which to let your own punches go , punch with him and you are very vunerable as he has very very heavy hands , tuck up and you see them coming, throw and the one that you do not see is the one arthur decks his opponents with.

 

OK Cuz...... You opened your big mouth!!!

What is you definition of athletically gifted? Cause heres one young boxer that I consider athletically gifted!! Andre Dirrell!!!!


Yes JT was a good athlete.... but phenomenal is more than a stretch!!!
A word like phenomenal has to be used with the likes of Roy Jones jr. and not on guy like Jermaine Taylor!!


My post wasn't about who's better between KP and JT it was about KP having the potential to become an elite boxer!!!

Let me ask you these question!

Before JT fought KP did JT show he had stamina issues?

Do you think a phenomenal athlete would be gassed at the end of the 2nd round of a fight?

Would a phenomenal athlete continually stay infront of a puncher and trade?

What I noticed about you Pavlik fans is that you guys use the JT wins as some sort of proof of greatness in KP but to be honest I think it was a good win against a real good opponent but the opponent(JT) had one major flaw(stamina)!!

If Jermaine Taylor was a "phenomenal" athlete.... we would not be discussing Kelly Pavlik right now!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW cuz, I don't know why you keep using Pavlik and MW king in the same sentences? It makes me feel like your saying KP walked through the MW division destroying dudes!!!:huh

 

Well, to be fair, some phenomenal athletes are phenomenal as sprinters and some are phenomenal as marathon runners...dig?

 

Geez. I was called an idiot for giving the Cliff Notes version of this.

 

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....You...do realize he ain't hittin' that play button, right?

 

Funny thing is that Booradley is very well aware therefore absolutely terrified of King Arthur Abraham's short right hand. He's a boxing veteran, knows Pavlik and his weaknesses quite well, saw Hopkins repeatedly staggering Kelly with the right hand and I think he already admitted to himself it's the shot Abraham wins the fight with.

First step is recognizing the truth to yourself.

Seconds step is admitting it to others.

You can do it Boo!

 

That's about as convincing as, "I bet you've never even boxed before!"

 

Although I'd favor AA, like apparently the majority of us, I wouldn't write off KP. I think he has it in him to execute the right fight. But I don't see his corner telling him how, let alone making him do it and AA can always pull it out on a puncher's chance even if KP did fight the right fight to perfection.

 

Oh yeah, and what short right hand did Hopkins "repeatedly stagger Pavlik with"? He staggered him through accumulation in the 12th and with a left "hookercut" early on, but that's about it. It was actually the looping punches that KP was struggling with, and Hopkins was actually threading the right hand as a feint to land other shots off. Maybe you should stop talking bull****!

 

Abraham beat Miranda in their second battle the moment he decided to actually fight. It was an embarrassment. All it took was three punches. Pavlik came in with a great game plan against Miranda and executed it perfectly. It was a decent war going into the 6th round and then Pavlik took over and finished it in the 7th.

As many say, you can not compare a common opponent as an outcome to a fight. In this case both Abraham and Pavlik looked good against Miranda so it makes no sense to even start comparing.

The difference I see is that Pavlik can be hit. He can be hurt. He has been on the canvas against a guy that has ZERO KO's in his professional career.
Abraham has never been close to being hurt. Miranda broke his ****ing jaw and he was able to survive 7 rounds losing an ungodly amount of blood. He hits like a mule and has the one punch power that Pavlik does not have.

FINAL FORMULA:
Abraham hits like ****ing mule and has never been hurt.
Pavlik is not hard to hit and can be hurt.

No way Pavlik survives 12 rounds.

 

Maybe you should let Boo speak for himself, unless he's a she. :hi:

 

He had his jaw broken but has never been hurt? Man, he was very hurt and ready to call it a night. This poor guy was in immense pain and the body language of him turning his back and walking away when the ref broke them up several times. Hell, if that had been Pavlik in there and he had Arthur in that condition, no, Arthur would have been forced to take knees, have the ref call it, even if his equilibrium wasn't off in any way. Punch resistance means jack when your jaw is broken and you're bleeding in that condition. Miranda failed miserably in getting the man out when he spent rounds ready to go. I mean, credit to Abraham for managing as long as he did but a guy of a higher caliber than Miranda (no offense to him) would have probably been able to finish it if he could survive what was coming back at him.