Abraham vs. Pavlik - Who will win if they fight now at 160/168?

Respect.

Arthur knocks Pavlik out cold :smoke

 

Lesser opponents than Kelly HAVE gone twelve with AA. Aylala came close to it. A fading Taylor came close to it.

 

Pavlik "took over in the 7th"? Tell me, was it LSD you were on when you watched that fight? Pavlik was winning just about every round.

Abraham looked good against Miranda when he got a second bite at the apple, yes. But do you really think he looked good in the first time, despite landing half as many punches as he was taking, scraping a split decision after six point deductions and going home with half his face hanging off? If you're going to make excuses for Abraham/Miranda I, then how about I make one for Abraham/Miranda II: Miranda had to come down from 220 pounds to make weight (and that's not a joke), was drained, had no punch resistance and had been ruined by Pavlik. How does that sound?

So Abraham wasn't hurt when he had a broken jaw? atsch Let me tell you something: Pavlik would NEVER have lost that fight had he been in Miranda's position, Germany or anywhere.

But Lujuan Simon does? Nice formula. Even Jermain Taylor's corpse nearly went the distance with AA! And somebody who's much more active, tougher and more powerful as well as not being shot to absolute dog **** has "no way" of surviving 12?

 

Pavlik walked into Bernards left hook all night long, it only takes one from Arthur and his head will be somewhere on the 6th row.

 

Answer the ****ing question. If you make unsubstantiated claims, someone's going to pull you up on them. There's a PM system if you want a cat-fight.

 

Even if AA legally changes his name to Bhop that doesn't make him the same fighter. Again. Luanne Simon......

 

Comparing Bernard Hopkins' technical skills to those of Arthur Abraham is like comparing caviar to a stinking pile of dog ****.

 

As much as I agree that Miranda SHOULD have been able to stop it. I dont know if anyone could have done much better. Randy Neuman stepped in every time Abraham looked like he might be in trouble. He gave him two 5 minute rests for what seem to be clean hits on the belt line. Someone would have to have laid Abraham out flat cold to get the KO that night, but even then Neuman may have found a reason to call it an illegal punch.

But back to your original point. Of course anyone who has a broken jaw is HURT. However I can only give an even higher amount of respect to Abraham for getting his jaw broken and fighting on the way he did 'hurt'. It's gonna take more then a broken jaw to stop this warrior. Good luck!

 

It was actually 224lbs that Miranda had to come down to make the weight. I wasnt going to throw in the 'excuses' since he also had to lose what was it 15lbs in 3 days to make weight for Pavlik. To be honest with you he was in better shape for the Abraham fight then he was against Pavlik.

As far as my lcd experience, I guess the judges were on similar drugs since Miranda was up on 2 of the scorecards going into the 6th round.

 

Okay. So you don't think Pavlik ate right hands all night and got buzzed time to time? Well, you might be right that the "hookercut" did some damage too...

Now the "hookercut" is the shot Abraham scored his most spectacular KOs with.

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But maybe you are right, the right hand would only set up the left hook.

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Are these the right hand feints you were talking about?

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Wow... Scary freaking power from Abraham.
Zuniga punches are like little taps compared to what AA has.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=15664&more=1

Since some of the issues from this article have been brought up in the thread, a Miranda interview.

 

Looks to me like you've answered the question in question.

 

if it werent for the fact that jt was a phenomenal athlete he wouldnt have gotten to where he was. he is an athlete first and a fighter second. it was his athletetic ability that made up for all his amatuer flaws and bad habits in the ring.

and your wrong on another front...if jermain taylor werent a phenomenal athlete...then we wouldnt be talking about jermain taylor b/c he is an average fighter.

of course you miss the point as usual. people who arent athletically gifted don't become the king of their division. no repsonse to that... all you asked is why i used the term king. i use that b/c he is the recognized champ in the division. king, champ, ruler, what the **** are you splitting hairs about??

never once did i say kelly was a phenomenal athlete. all i said was that you can't get to where he is unless you are athletically gifted. :nono

 

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