Abraham won because Pavlik softened Miranda up

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  1. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Guys...I have been following boxing for a long, long time. Thirty years now. I am very familiar with the pattern of excellent fighters losing their efficacy overnight once they take a single, serious beating. I have seen it happen many, many times.

    Sean O'Grady himself used to talk about this phenomenon during his television broadcasts. O'Grady, a former world professional champion, was speaking from personal experience when he said that a single devastating knockout loss was often the beginning of a series of such losses for top flight fighters.

    "Once that sweet spot has been exposed...", explained O'Grady, "it's all over."

    Again, I emphasize: one good beating is often all it takes to deprive a guy of his durability permanently.
     
  2. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends on the fighter...upon his psychological make-up. Some boxers can absorb terrible beatings and not be any worse off for it. Other fighters absorb beatings and they are never the same again.
     
  3. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    It certainly exists. We've talked about that before. Certain boxers cracking another's chin permanently. Such as Tito vs Vargas.
    What I saw last night, I have to admit I was shocked. I didn't think Miranda was going to out like that. Pretty much every flush shot that Abraham hit him with hurt him, as he either buckled, or in the case with the straight right, he went down.
    Either two things happened: Abraham is very strong and his placement of the punch in combination with the strength of that right hand was that devastating that Miranda never recovered. Or, Miranda's punch resistance officially went down the drain that night he got ko'd by Kelly Pavlik.

    I have to hand it to Abraham, he predicted the same from Miranda, stuck to his game plan and caught him as soon as Miranda got reckless. I don't think Miranda expected that type of power from AA, and he certainly didn't expect the punches coming out of that high guard, considering AA threw next to nothing the first couple of rounds. Sneaky tactic to lure the opponent in.

    We now need Pavlik vs Arthur Abraham. I believe this will be a better match up against Pavlik in that Abraham likes to block off a lot of shots. However, unlike Miranda, AA needs to understand that Pavlik is a work horse that hardly ever gets tired. If you become a sitting target for him, he will throw at you all night. One thing that AA has going for him in my opinion, that may give Pavlik trouble is fast hands with good ability to counter off that high guard. That is one thing that Pavlik was getting caught with, if anything, against Jermaine Taylor. It was the counters.
     
  4. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Is this a Pavlik HYPE or what?

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Maybe Abraham softened Miranda up for Pavlik. It was Miranda who gave Pavlik his first loss and beating.

    Haven't you thought of that?

    :yep :rofl
     
  5. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Miranda didn't take a terrible beating against Abraham in their first fight. He lost big, yes, but he didn't suffer an awful mental and physical beat down.

    Pavlik, on the other hand, put Miranda through a car wreck.
     
  6. chliJs

    chliJs Active Member Full Member

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    no one doubts such things as permanently destryoing a fighter exists, there are tons of examples.

    but in this case it totally not applies. man, in his last fight miranda did alright, and also in this fight he fought like he always does. there was no difference at all.. but if you are open like miranda was, you get rocked. from this fight, even if pavlik permanently destroyed miranda (hahahah.. which is still a joke to me), you couldn't tell. it was not long enough, was not demanding enough and and.. miranda just ****ed up.

    PLUS

    if miranda should screw his next fights also, to me this is a sign of how one dimensional and b-class he really is, not of pavlik's ability to ruin someone's career.
     
  7. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    pavlik ko1 tyson
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    According to your logic, Miranda should've destroyed Abraham yesterday because it was Pantera himself who put Arthur through a car wrack in their first fight, breaking his jaw and causing a loss of a bucket blood... The logic also fails when you watch Taylor almost pulling off a comback victory over Pavlik right after Kelly put him through a car wreck.

    Who's softened your brain up, buddy?
     
  9. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In addition to what you correctly describe -- a guy losing his physical capacity to absorb a heavy punch -- there's also the psychological-damage issue to consider.

    Fighters who suffer massive beat downs, whether they are one punch knockout losses or TKO losses due to an accumulation of punches over rounds, often emerge from these bouts with their confidence and enthusiasm permanently reduced.

    The psychological damage tends not to show until the fighter is under pressure again in the ring against top flight opposition. At that point, assuming their confidence is dampened, they tend to collapse suddenly.
     
  10. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    Yet Jermaine Taylor performed better the second time he fought Pavlik.
     
  11. chliJs

    chliJs Active Member Full Member

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    this question was in the air from the beginning, nice it was finally asked :good
     
  12. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Pwnage.
     
  13. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Taylor example does not undermine my point because, as I've already said, a fighter's vulnerability varies from case to case.

    Further, I am talking about the phsyical and psychological damage that fighters sometimes incur when they suffer devastating stoppage losses...not wins. Thus, your Abraham broken-jaw point doesn't apply here.
     
  14. chliJs

    chliJs Active Member Full Member

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    t minus ten until first mention of meldrick taylor.
     
  15. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    ad hoc explanations, faulty logic.