Abril beats Rios yet Marquez lost to Pac...WTF?

i scored it a draw. i could easilly see it going to pac.

I don't like saying because you get labelled a ******* just because you thought he won the fight.

I;d have loved to have seen Marquz win, And i thought he put on the performance of his career, I also thought he landed the crisper shots.

But to argue pacs side, marquez didn't land enugh of those shots, he landed about 5 eye catching head popping shots the whole fights.

Manny landed more than marquez and was the aggressor, so i can't see how anyone can call it a robbery.

It was a close, close fight.

 

Yeah it does, you were just making the arguement that punches landed on a round by round basis equates to winning the bout and showing them to someone who doesnt know much about boxing is the worst thing you could do. They would be scoring based solely on numbers instead of the fight itself.

I used it to contradict your statement that damage doesnt equate to winning bouts. If damage and punches landed doesnt score you points I would be interested as to what does for you or are you one of those who score based on crowd noise?

No you cant, that is totally contradictory. You replace one method of scoring with another but dismiss a more advanced way. I could also argue that if bouts were supposed to be scored through television then judges shouldnt even be ringside or in the venue for that matter. They should watch it in an isolated room where their judgement isnt affected by crowd noise.

The camera gives a more level view but you arent seeing all 360 degrees of the fight. You arent seeing all the angles and sometimes the judges have a better angle than what you have on TV. If slo-mo shouldnt be used to score a bout then neither should ring level television. If we are to score a bout like a judge then we should only be given the angle of a judge.
Also like saying goes...the hand is quicker than the eye. If you followed JMM's career you would know that he isnt a fighter that is easily bruised. Pacquiao's shots were getting in they just werent as flashy and getting crowd recognition in the heavy Mexican crowd. Jmm's face after the fight is perhaps the worst he's ever looked after any fight including the Mayweather fight.

 

You're right, i only gave pac 3 rounds he was out-boxed with ease. :deal

 

Yes, and I made my point, which was correct. Then you posted compubox stats which held no relevance, even more so for the fact that you thought my reply to the other poster was something negative toward Pacquiao...when in truth, I was stating it in a boxing sense, not in reference to a particular bout.

That is exactly the reason compubox is there. It is not for the hardcore fan, it is something a casual, or none fan can lay reference to, to help them understand. I have not once shown someone who doesn't follow boxing compubox stats, mainly because I think they are ****. I just stated it is something people could do.

You have really misunderstood me from the very first post, jumping to conclusions. There is a difference between physical damage, and punishment/damage (what you seem to be referring to). Physical damage is what the poster I was responding to, was referring to. Physical damage holds NO weight in the scoring of a round. None whatsoever.

Punishment and damage from punches - of course they hold weight in the scoring of rounds, they are 99.9% of the time from effective punches.

But again, the physical damage, e.g. bruises, swelling, grazes...are not a scoring criteria. Again, boxers are all individual, some boxers receive the previous from scraping shots, or not even clean, effective punches.

You can argue that it is an advanced method, but you can also argue that it is a tool to help "fans" of a boxer justify their scoring of a bout (they are the only type of slow motion videos that I have seen pop up). It's not always better when you have longer to see something, mistakes can still be made, and bias is a lot more prone.

If that method was "advanced"...the technology has been around for years. There is a reason it is not employed in the judging of bouts.

Bouts are supposed to be viewed through television, it's a worldwide sport. Judging maybe isn't, but fans choose to anyway. I choose not to judge through slow motion, my reasoning above. So no, it's not contradictory, at all.

No one ever sees every angle of the bout, I don't see your point. The judge at times has a better view, and at other times, the viewer has a better view. Again, if slow motion was relevant, the technology has been there for years.

I never started out referencing the Marquez-Pacquiao bout, you just assumed.

I have followed his career, and it has been a long career, his last few bouts he has suffered swelling and bruising...he is pushing 40 years old and has been in many a war. That's not unusual. And again, I have never claimed that Pacquiao wasn't hitting Marquez. :huh

 

Abril won clearly

Marquez won clearly

both were robbed.

 

No comparison... PAC vs JMM was a close fight.

 

Abril is the kind of KID that can win fights but wont sell PPV. Unless the slick team support him. They love to watch 12 rounds of running and holding? Abril must prove he can fight like a warrior then will be invited back on HBO in the future.

 

:deal

 

a fighter who gets robbed of a win, even though it was a good competitive fight, in the end is still ROBBED.

the only difference between marquez/pacquiao and rios/abril.....is the fact that Marquez beat pacquiao in a COMPETATIVE fight, while Abril beat Rios in a one-sided fight.

marquez and Abril were both robbed. It was just a much clearer robbery for Abril that's all

 

When its a close fight its no robbery.... It's a close fight where scoring is subjective. When humans are the ones scoring or judging it really comes down to how "they" like their fights..... Either they score for the busier guy or the guy who's more efficient yet more accurate...

Robberies are where one guy completely dominates in all areas in the fight yet falls victim to unethical officiating and/or judging.

 

"Dominated" is probably the last word I would use to describe Abril's performance but yeah Rios did nothing to deserve getting the nod.