Absolute bums

Are you talking about these types
Peter McNeeley
Marcus Rhode
Louis Monaco

 

Charles Martin is no bum, but he laid an egg against Joshua.
Stiverne did the same against Wilder.

Did these guys even care about winning/keeping what used to be the most prestigious title in the sports world

 

But a bum is a homeless guy.. there are crazy reckless people who disgrace the ring, let themselves down, maybe there should be a word for them but it should not be confused with guys who actually fight that are knowingly overmatched. Desperate people just making a living. A bum is not making a living or even wants to.

I blame the word bum as a boxing term on middleclass snobbery toward the boxing community. There is this sense that they are all bums or would be bums apart from the talented ones because they (largely) didn’t get an education and come from broken homes. It’s like all boxers are bums. Talented bums become champs and the rest are actual bums.

 

Even tramps fight for money, the dirty bums.

 

You must be an incredibly high achiever mate.

 

What about the guys trying their guts out, getting in great shape and trying to learn his craft but don't have the talent or can't get enough backing and opportunity? There are countless guys like these. Are they bums?

 

No because they have given it their all, big difference!

 

You might be talking about cans who don’t train or learn how to fight because You know the difference. You can tell the difference. But when the word is acceptable it is thrown around at the wrong people. The casual observer will think anybody who loses or dosnt have world class talent is a bum. I can’t remember what trainer it was but the actor John Belushi turned up at a gym once to train and he asked the guy “how many bums you got training here” and the trainer says “one” john says “where is he?” And the guy says “it’s you”. A guy who trains who wants to learn isn’t a bum. But nobody knows which ones do. They just call all losers a bum.

well yes I suppose you could say “he’s turned himself into a bum” but because guys who sleep on the street get called the same thing I think that could be seen as a bit extreme. I do understand there must be a word for it. Maybe tomato can or something.

because nobody calls a tennis player a bum that’s why.

I agree.

yes but the terminology probably comes from elsewhere and has become adopted by that class of people. It’s intresting to me that in no other sport a loser is called a bum. Professional Team sports guys get dropped. Nobody says “we dropped him because he’s a bum”. Snooker, darts, swimming, running, Tennis nobody is called a bum. Just “past thier best” or “under performing”. In boxing it’s a “bum” same word for a destitute parasite. It dosnt seem fair. It is a class issue.

 

Yes. There should be a name for those guys. I just don’t think it should be “Bum”. Maybe Tomato can.

 

Well that's a whole lot better

 

It is. And if you were a boxer you would be my favourite type of tomato can. Lol.