Absolute bums

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    A guy who knows he's overmatched shouldn't be in the ring, by definition. At the very least he's a set up. If he knows beforehand that he's overmatched he might well be a bum.

    Guys who deliberately don't train because they are willingly taking fights they know they can't win are bums. The fact that is seems to be acceptable to so many fans of the sport is comical. If everyone took the "I can't win so I wont try ... but I'll turn up and get paid anyway" approach, it would be a bum's world.

    Bums do get booked twice, and more. Managers with mediocre prospects are constantly seeking the least resistance possible to pad a record with. Promoters are happy to see a local kid go 20 straight kayoes against bums.
     
  2. Gudetama

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    I don't like the term, but Jason Gavern looked pretty shocking in the recent bout against Dave Allen. That is one situation where it looked liked the lad came to lose and collect his money. But then, Jason Gavern could probably knock me out with his hands tied behind his back, so fair play.
     
  3. choklab

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    not if these are the only fights they can get. This is most journeymen. They are a fair standard in most cases but they are the stepping stone. James Tillis knew he was overmatched but he went the distance.

    but they might be a legit fighter who’s had a long career and has decided to cash in his chips.

    ham and eggers do. These guys are semi capable and legit boxers at a very low level. A non legit fighter, you can’t rebook them. Really you can’t. they produce ridiculous farcical bouts that cause an uproar.
     
  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If this was the case, then boxing wouldn't exist anymore .. Don't know what Boxing world you come from, but most of the time it's the fighter who is the champ and more importantly who is the DRAW who calls the shots .. It's a business first, just like any other sport..The "under matched" opponent gets his shot to get his payday, try his best, and see what happens .. I would not refer to the "under matched" opponent as a bum for doing so.. by the way, is Duran a bum for being ill-prepared against SRL in II?
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Which fight did Tillis know he was overmatched but went the distance?

    Old has-beens cashing in for a last couple of paydays are different to bums who make a living taking fights they can't win and refuse to train for. It's a different thing, loosely related. The fighters who habitually take fights and never bothered to get in shape are the bums. The has-been is usually deluding himself thinking he'll find a way to win with his experience.

    Bums are usually forgettable and don't appear on the billing, they are announced at late notice . They may not be used by the same promoters week in week out by they are always in demand. Small hall or undercard fights with prospects don't cause a big stink, because promoters try to keep the bums and mismatches off the main event.
     
  6. McGrain

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    If a fighter is fat, calling him fat is fine is fine by me. Not sure about what that means for his performance though, because we've seen fat guys with a lot of hard rounds in the tank. A lazy fighter, it's OK to call him lazy, but low output and mobility, too, aren't necessarily detrimental to performance either, depending upon style. Quitter is problematic to me, especially since the internet. To some of these people everyone who quits is a quitter. In the strictest sense this is true, but quitting with a broken eye socket is probably OK for me, regardless of what's on the line. If the potential injury is serious enough, i'm not even sure not quitting in those circumstances is admirable. Chanceless fighters in way over their heads for low pay who want to keep to their corners after 7 or 8, that doesn't really bother me either. Why was the fight made is the right question here. Nobody really knows how a fighter feels, how the injury feels. Joe Frazier is a quitter to some people ffs.

    Sometimes you have your suspicions though. Even here, the absolute glee with which some people tattoo great fighters quitters on her is disheartening. Duran, Liston, guys like that. People just love that stuff. If a guy doesn't like a fighter and he has quit, that's the song that poster will play from now until then.

    The point is that being fat or slow or lazy becomes a stick to beat someone with. I'd argue that "bum" should be used kind of like a curseword. If you call someone a "****" or a "shitcunt bollocks ******* ****head" you better be sure you're right is what I would say about it.

    And I always object a bit when it's glee-fuelled. But i've probably done that myself, it's easy done.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Funnily enough someone called Peter McNeely a bum today at work and I had kind of bad reaction. I wanted to tell a story that negated that point of view but all I could think of was "cocoon of horror" :lol: It was a nice line though.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Chips and eggers?
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Nice dish if you can’t afford the ham..
     
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    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    my wife has described me as her own personal “cocoon of horror” since the day she first heard it. I shall ever thank Peter for this..
     
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    I think Jimmy Smith qualifies as a Bum.
     
  12. Flash24

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    Any man (or woman) that's get in a boxing ring professional or amateur I wouldn't call them a stiff or bum. Though they absolutely may not have a shot of winning, that they showed up is courageous in itself . Getting beat up on a school yard is bad,imagine getting beat up when thousands, or millions of people or watching. Now theirs in my opinion quite a few punks or bullies who thought they were more than they actually are . Hamed pops to mind, Tyson's another, Mayweather jr. Chavez showed some too esp latter in his career. Some would say Duran, but to me Duran more than made up for the melt down in New Orleans.
     
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  13. JoffJoff

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    You guys have Peter McNeeley mixed up with Kevin McBride. McNeeley was Mike's coming-home-from-prison present, McBride was his final opponent who indeed gave Tyson the "cocoon of horror" treatment he had promised beforehand.
     
  14. McGrain

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    You are incorrect sir. I haven't been able to track down the "cocoon of horror" line tbf, but in the below video McNeely says "when i wrap him in my cocoon".

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    It's only wiki, but the article below confirms this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_McNeeley

    Independent, last paragraph:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/mcneeleys-moment-of-madness-1596624.html
     
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  15. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Just goes to show how faulty memory is, well mine at least…DOH!

    OR MANDELA EFFECT??? :nut: